Re: Fury of the Northmen Mod
Ok, I think it is time to try to sum up what we have so far, so that the people who are doing the actual modding won't have to search all over the place. I will keep this post as the final sum up, which can be edited if need be, but you will always find the latest info in this post. So remmeber what page it is on.
Anyway here goes:
Finnic Factions (Baltic Pagan)
The Map:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...suomenjako.bmp
From the map:
1) Province name: Vakka-Suomi, Faction: Suoma
2) Province name: Häme, Faction: Häme
3) Province name: Karjala, Faction: Karjala
4) Province name: Kainuu, Faction: Rebel
5) Province name: Inkerinmaa/Ingria, Faction: Rebel
A few points:
- Not sure which of the Western factions should be playable, Suoma or Häme?
- As some you may have noticed, I made some changes so SS's map. According to old tradition (Perimätiedon mukaan:) The lands of the Häme stretched from salt sea to salt sea, from gulf of bothnia to gulf of Finland (suolamerestä suolamereen).
Terrain/Geography of provinces
Vakka-Suomi: Mostly lowland, forested, perhaps coastal?
Häme: Heavily forested, somewhat hilly, some lakes.
Karjala: Heavily forested, a lot of lakes, somewhat hilly.
Kainuu: Lowland, forested, coastal.
Inkerinmaa: Forested, Lowland
Capitals of Provinces:
(marked by the red square)
Vakka-Suomi= Turku
Häme= Kokemäki
Karjala= Käkisalmi
Kainuunmaa= Kainuu
Inkerinmaa= Laatokankaupunki
A few points
- Some Historians believe the Kainuu were more of a hunter organization than a people (or at least were originially so), and so I think it is suitable to have them as rebels. By nature, some historians say, they were much like the Pirkkalaiset later on (except the Pirkka were traders, not hunters).
- Any suggestions for the capital of Kainuu?
Trade goods of Provinces:
Karjala:
Furs (Weasel, Squirrel, Reindeer)
Fish (Salmon)
Reindeer meat
Horses
Häme:
Walrus Tusks (taxed from Lapps and acquired on long hunting trips)
Furs (same as Karelia)
Seal fat
Vakka-Suomi:
Pottery (not very profitable)
Furs (Same as Karelia)
Kainuunmaa
-Furs (same as Karelia)
-Walrus Tusks
-Fish
-Meats
Ingria
-Furs
-Pottery
-Fish
Offices and Titles
Tietäjä of [Province name]:
Loyalty: 1
Piety: 3
Dread: 1
Acumen: 1
Command: 0
Tuomari of [name of province]:
Loyalty: 2
Piety: 1
Dread: 3
Acumen: 1
Command: 0
Sotapäälikkö of [name of Province]
Loyalty: 2
Piety: 0
Dread: 2
Acumen: 1
Command: 3
Varakuningas of [name of Faction]
Loyalty:3
Piety:0
Dread:2
Acumen:2
Command:3
The Finnic and Baltic techtree
(A basic first-draft)
http://www.geocities.com/siidon/FotN/BalticTechTree.xls
Finnic Units
Kuninkaan henkivartio(King's Guard)
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: Excellent
-Attack: Very good
-Defence: Very good
-Impeteous
-The Elite of Finnic armies
The Finnish Guard wear decent armour, and are medium infantry. They are equipped with large swords and large wooden shields. They have good morale, since they are possibly relatives of the Kuningas, and are in his favour. They followed the kings on their war raids.
Nobles
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large Shilds / 80 men
-Morale: Very good
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Good
-professional, experienced, veterans of raiding parties
-Impeteous
In pre-feudal Baltic and Finnic society, nobles were composed of the wealthy regional strong men and the males of their families. Wielding Swords and large wooden shields, they are a very useful, although a somewhat expensive unit. These men can are reliable, and rarely run.
Footmen
-Light Armor - Swords - Small Shields / 80 men
-Morale: Avarage
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Avarage
-Impeteous
-Fast
Lighter than Finnish nobles, but also faster. Armour consisted only of thick furs and leather. Finnish Infantry are armed with swords and large shields, and they are the middle-class of Finnish society (the largest class). They would serve their leader when called upon, and join the war raids in hope of booty. Reasonable morale.
Heimosoturit(tribesmen)
-Light armour - Spear - roundshield / 100 men
-Morale: Poor
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: poor
-Fast
Light, fast and equipped with spear and shield, and some of them with swords if they could afford them. Finnish tribesmen are no professionals, and if the battle isn’t going their way, they are easy to rout. Finnish tribesmen were slightly poorer than and part of the lower middle-class of Finnish society. Still, they are free men, and join war raids in the hope of booty, and they defend their lands when attacked. Best used for flanking and attacking skirmishers.
Korpisoturit(Wilderland hunters)
-Light armour - bow and axe - small shield / 80 men
-can hide anywhere
-Morale: Average
-Fast
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Average
From the dark inland forests, come the hunters of the wild. Since infancy, they have practiced their hunting skills and they excel in stealth and accuracy. They are also responsible for much of the fur trade, and they trade with the middle-men in coastal settlements.
Armed with bows and axes.
Karjalan kalpamiehet(Karelian kylfings)
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large Shilds / 80 men
-Morale: Very good
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Good
-professional, experienced, veterans of raiding parties
-Impeteous
These mercenaries are armed with swords and large shields. They inhabit the north eastern shores of the Gulf of Finland. They are a reliable medium infantry, and can be trusted to fare well against most other infantry in the heat of battle. The Karelian Kylfings are often associated with the Varangians, since they fought against them and along side them.
Finnish Berserkers
-Medium Armor - battle axes / 60 men
-Morale: excellent
-Attack: Excellent
-Defense: Good
-Impeteous
-Fast
The Finnish Tribes were known for their skills in magic and lore of things unnatural. It was considered bad luck by Vikings to kill a Finn, especially one with magical powers. Many Vikings also went to study and learn from these berserkers, who could work themselves into an unseen frenzy and attack their enemies in a state of fury.
It is hard to control them, and it is wise to simply unleash them.
Karjalan Kirvessoturit(Karelian raiders)
-Medium Armor - Battle axe - Large Shilds / 80 men
-Morale: good
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Average
-Impeteous
Around the turn of the Millennia, Viking raids had decreased on the Finnish shore-line, and the Finnish tribes were becoming more organized in their defence. Soon, it was the Baltic people’s who had their go against the former aggressors, and the Scandinavians were on the defensive for a while. The Karelians, along with other Finnic and Baltic peoples, raided the Vikings. The Karelian raiders are a useful offensive unit, armed with battle-axes and shields. Their main advantages are their speed and their armour-piercing axes.
Keihäsmiehet(Javelin men)
-Light Armor - Javelins and spears - roundshields / 80 men
-Morale: average
-Attack: average
-Defense: poor
-Impeteous
-Fast
The Finnish and Baltic armies were much lighter than those of the Vikings, and employed more unorthodox tactics. They preferred weapons, which could be used in everyday life as tools, and as weapons on the battle field. The Javelins used by the Finns on the battle-field, however, were unique. The Finnish Javelin, the “Ango”, was much like the Roman Pilum, and could be used in similar fashion.
-armed with javelins and spear (like bonnachts in VI)
Warband(I won't change this since it will be availale to all baltic+finnic factions)
-Light armour - Javelins and axes - Large Shilds / 100 men
-Morale: average
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Good
-Impeteous
-Fast
In viking-age Baltic society, tribal warfare and raiding was not uncommon. Raids would be organized under strong leaders, and adventurous men would join these daring expeditions. Armed with Javelins and axes, they form a flexible and formidable unit. Their morale and loyalty is often questionable though, and if the battle turns sour, they might as well turn tail and run.
Karjalan ratsumiehet(Karelian Horsemen)
-Medium Armor - spears - small shields / 40 men
-Morale: good
-Attack: Good
-Defense: poor
-Impeteous
Karelians bread and exported horses far and wide, along the vast network of rivers in the east. Their horses were small and tough, and could handle themselves well in the demanding terrain. The Karelian horsemen were wealthy members of society, and could afford good weapons. Armed with swords and wooden shields, they are ideal for flanking manouvres and pursuing a fleeing enemy.
-units of 40-50
-good morale
-impeteous
Ships:
Small boat
Before roads were common and forests covered most of the land, boats were a very efficient form of transport. They could be used to travel along the cost of the Sea or along the lakes and rivers of the inland regions. They could hold a fairly large crew, and made a good, cheap form of a trading navy.
Uisko
A larger and more capable vessel with both sail and oars. Much like the Viking ships in size and shape. In general, very capable vessels. The Uiskos are well suited for the conditions within the Baltic, but a bit too small for travelling across greater seas.
Agents:
Tietäjä
The tietäjät are wise men who know all the ancient secrets, and the answers to all questions. Their wisdom and guidance kept the individualistic pagan faith of the ancient Baltic-Finns alive, and help to spread it. They are the collective memory of their tribe, and their lore is great indeed.
The Baltic Factions
(Baltic-Pagan)
Map: https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ltianjako2.jpg
A few points about the map:
-The province of Jotvingia may or may not continue outside of the boundaries of this map, I leave it up to you. Jotvingia itself is smaller, but to save space, I included with it some "miscalleneous" Baltic tribes to the south east that border Jotvingia.
-I still need to come up with capitals for most provinces, any help with that would be appreciated
-I let the Curonians keep the whole of the northern shores on the west side of the Gulf of Riga, although it was Livonian territory. Less provinces this way.
Factions and Provinces
Lithuanians (Playable): Lithuania
Prussians (Playable): Prussia
Curonians (Playable): Curland
Latgals (Rebel): Latgallia
Jotvingians (Rebel): Jotvingia
Livonians (Rebel): Livonia
People of Saaremaa: (Playable): Saaremaa + Hiiumaa islands (1 province)
Esths (Rebel): Sakala, Revala
Capitals of Provinces
Lithuania - Daugava
Prussia - Truso
Courland - Seeburg
Latgallia - ?
Jotvingia - ?
Livonia - ?
Saaremaa + Hiiumaa - Kuressaare
Sakala - Tarbatu
Revala - Rafala
Note: Not finished yet as you can see. If anyone can spot any mistakes, tell me.
Geography/Terrain of Provinces:
Lithuania: Mostly flatland, heavily forested
Prussia: Heavily forested, low-to hilly.
Curland: Forested, coastal, Lowland
Latgallia: Forested, somewhat hilly
Jotvingia: Forested, Lowland
Livonia: Forested, coastal, lowland
Saaremaa + Hiiumaa: Coastal, lowland
Sakala: Forested, Somewhat hilly
Revala: Forested, lowland
Titles and Offices
Wiseman (Zitnieki for Baltics) of [Province name]:
Loyalty: 1
Piety: 3
Dread: 1
Acumen: 1
Command: 0
Tiesnesis of [name of province]:
Loyalty: 2
Piety: 1
Dread: 3
Acumen: 1
Command: 0
Kara Virsaitis of [name of Province]
Loyalty: 2
Piety: 0
Dread: 2
Acumen: 1
Command: 3
Kjeenish of [name of Faction]
Loyalty:3
Piety:0
Dread:2
Acumen:2
Command:3
Trade goods
Amber for each and every province, I have to do further research regarding other trade.
Tech Tree
Same basic draft will be used for both Finnic and Baltic Factions
Finnic units of Balticum (for P.o.S, Esths, and Livonians)
Saaremaa Raiders
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: Good
-Attack: Very good
-Defence: Very good
-Impeteous
-fast
The People of Saaremaa, alongside the Curonians, were known for their viking-style raids across the Baltic. They were capable warriors and merchants, who raided settlements and captured the inhabitants, which were then sold as slaves. Armed with bows and arrows and Swords and small shields, they were a very useful unit on the battle field.
King's Guard
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: Excellent
-Attack: Very good
-Defence: Very good
-Impeteous
-The Elite of Estonian armies
The King's Guard wear decent armour, and are medium infantry. They are equipped with large swords and large wooden shields. They have good morale, since they come from the richest part of Baltic society and are possibly relatives of the king. They followed the kings on their war raids.
Nobles
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large Shilds / 80 men
-Morale: Very good
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Good
-professional, experienced, veterans of raiding parties
-Impeteous
In pre-feudal Baltic and Finnic society, nobles were composed of the wealthy regional strong men and the males of their families. Wielding Swords and large wooden shields, they are a very useful, although a somewhat expensive unit. These men can are reliable, and rarely run.
Estonian Swordsmen
-medium Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: Average
-Attack: good
-Defence: good
-Impeteous
-Fast
Lighter than The King's Guard, but also faster. Armour consisted only of thick furs and leather. Estonian Swordsmen are armed with swords and large shields, and they are the upper middle-class of Estonian society. They would serve their leader when called upon, and join the war raids in hope of booty. Swords were expensive, and so is this unit. Reasonable morale.
Estonian Crossbowmen (only very late in the game)
-Light Armor - Crossbows and daggers - small shields / 60 men
-Morale: Good
-Attack: good
-Defence: good
-Impeteous
-Fast
The Estonians were among the last to be conquered by the Christian Crusaders, and this was largely thanks to their ability to adapt to the new kind of warfare the foreign invaders represented. The Estonians started using the crossbow as part of their weapons arsenal, and Estonian crossbowmen became feared in and around the Baltic for their accuracy and their skills in melee. Armed with skaramasakses, a short type of sword, Estonian crossbowmen can also be used as regular infantry if needed.
Estonian Infantry
-Light Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: average
-Attack: Very good
-Defence: Very good
-Impeteous
-fast
Armour consisted only of thick furs and leather. Estonian Infantry are armed with spears and large shields, and they come from the middle-class of Estonian society. Spears were cheap and effective weapons, and also useful in everyday life. This is a relatively reliable and cheap unit.
Livonian Infantry
-Light armour - Spear - large shield / 100 men
-Morale:average
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: poor
-Fast
Light infantry armed with short spears and large shields. The Livonians were on good terms with the Estonian Tribes, and they often fought the Baltic tribes side by side. Reasonable morale. A good addition to any Baltic Army. Later on the Livonian warriors were also used by the German crusaders.
Estonian Tribesmen
-Light armour - Spear - roundshield / 100 men
-Morale: Poor
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: poor
-Fast
Light, fast and equipped with spear and shield, and some of them with swords if they could afford them. Estonian tribesmen are no professionals, and if the battle isn’t going their way, they are easy to rout. Estonian tribesmen were slightly poorer than and part of the lower middle-class of Estonian society. Still, they are free men, and join war raids in the hope of booty, and they defend their lands when attacked. Best used for flanking and attacking skirmishers.
Baltic Horsemen
-Light armour - Spear - roundshield / 40 men
-Morale: average
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: poor
Baltic horses were rare and expensive, and so was Baltic cavalry. Their small horses and their untrained riders made poor cavalry in relation with their central European contemporaries. They were best used for attacking skirmishers and chasing a routing enemy off the field.
Warband(I won't change this since it will be availale to all baltic+finnic factions)
-Light armour - Javelins and axes - Large Shilds / 100 men
-Morale: average
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Good
-Impeteous
-Fast
In viking-age Baltic society, tribal warfare and raiding was not uncommon. Raids would be organized under strong leaders, and adventurous men would join these daring expeditions. Armed with Javelins and axes, they form a flexible and formidable unit. Their morale and loyalty is often questionable though, and if the battle turns sour, they might as well turn tail and run.
Ships:
Small boat
Before roads were common and forests covered most of the land, boats were a very efficient form of transport. They could be used to travel along the cost of the Sea or along the lakes and rivers of the inland regions. They could hold a fairly large crew, and made a good, cheap form of a trading navy.
Uisko
A larger and more capable vessel with both sail and oars. Much like the Viking ships in size and shape. In general, very capable vessels. The Uiskos are well suited for the conditions within the Baltic, but a bit too small for travelling across greater seas.
Agents:
Tietäjä(still trying to work out what it is in Estonian)
The tietäjät are wise men who know all the ancient secrets, and the answers to all questions. Their wisdom and guidance kept the individualistic pagan faith of the ancient Baltic-Finns alive, and help to spread it. They are the collective memory of their tribe, and their lore is great indeed.
Units for "Baltic" Baltic factions
Baltic Horsemen
-Light armour - Spear - roundshield / 40 men
-Morale: average
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: poor
Baltic horses were rare and expensive, and so was Baltic cavalry. Their small horses and their untrained riders made poor cavalry in relation with their central European contemporaries. They were best used for attacking skirmishers and chasing a routing enemy off the field.
Peerkona deeli (sons of Thunder)
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: Excellent
-Attack: Excellent
-Defence: Very good
-Disciplined
-The Elite of Baltic Armies
These men are the absolute elite of Baltic armies. They are well trained and highly discplined, armed with the very best equipment available. Wielding fearsome swords and large shields, they are best used as shock troops to break through enemy lines. Their religious zeal makes them very brave fighters, who rarely run off the field.
Curonian Raiders
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: Very good
-Attack: Very good
-Defence: Very good
-Impeteous
-fast
Around the turn of the millennia, The Finnic and Baltic Tribes were able to control the Baltic Sea, and the Curonians in particular had a reputation of being skilled raiders, much like the Vikings. Armed with swords and shields and leather armour, the Curonian Raiders were capable soldiers, and many times did the Vikings meet their match when facing the Curonians warriors and their fleets. These men formed the elite of any offensive Curonian army.
Kings Guard
-Medium Armor - Swords - Large shields / 80 men
-Morale: Excellent
-Attack: Very good
-Defence: Very good
-Impeteous
-The Elite of Baltic armies
The King's Guard wear decent armour, and are medium infantry. They are equipped with Swords and large wooden shields. They have good morale, since they come from the richest part of Baltic society and are possibly relatives of the king. They followed the kings on their war raids.
Curonian Infantry
-Light armour - Spear - large shield / 100 men
-Morale:average
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: Average
-Fast
Lighter than The Kings Guard, but also faster. Armour consisted only of thick furs and leather. Curonian Infantry are armed with spears and large shields, and they are the middle-class of Curonian society (the largest class). They would serve their leader when called upon, and join the war raids in hope of booty. Reasonable morale.
Baltic Tribesmen
-Light armour - Axes - Small shields / 100 men
-Morale: Poor
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: Poor
-Fast
Armed with mainly war cudgels or axes and shields, Baltic Tribesmen form a cheap and fairly useful unit. As a peasant unit, they are not very reliable in the heat of battle, but a good, cheap garrison. Their strength is in numbers and in speed.
Baltic Infantry
-Light armour - Axes - Small shield / 100 men
-Morale:average
-Impeteous
-Attack: Average
-Defense: Average
-Fast
-bonus vs. armour
A relatively reliable infantry unit. Armed with axes and shields, they proved effective against armoured opponents, thanks to their speed and their axes. They are the back bone of many Baltic armies.
Baltic Javelin men
-Light Armor - Javelins and short swords - roundshields / 80 men
-Morale: average
-Attack: average
-Defense: poor
-Impeteous
-Fast
The Finnish and Baltic armies were much lighter than those of the Vikings, and employed more unorthodox tactics. They preferred weapons, which could be used in everyday life as tools, and as weapons on the battle field. The Javelin men were usually hunters, who used their skills on the battle field to harass the enemy, and then use their speed to get away. Although they are armed with short swords, they should be kept away from melee.
Semigallian Crossbow men(very late in the game, at the end of the tech-tree)
-Light Armor - Crossbows and daggers - small shields / 60 men
-Morale: Good
-Attack: good
-Defence: average
-Impeteous
-Fast
A cross bow is a fairly effective weapon, especially against light armour. It’s reload time is longer than that of a traditional bow, but Semigallian crossbow men carried short swords with them, and were fairly effective in melee.
Semigallian spearmen
-medium armour - Spear - large shield / 100 men
-Morale:average
-Impeteous
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Good
-Fast
The Semigallians were a strong tribe in the Baltic during Viking times, and controlled a large area in the inlands. This made them the target for numerous attacks by neighbouring tribes, and also strengthened their military organisation. Their spearmen were of good quality, and fairly cheap. Armed with the traditional Semigallian spear and a large shield, they were a good addition to any Baltic army.
Warband(I won't change this since it will be availale to all baltic+finnic factions)
-Light armour - Javelins and axes - Large Shilds / 100 men
-Morale: average
-Attack: Good
-Defense: Good
-Impeteous
-Fast
In viking-age Baltic society, tribal warfare and raiding was not uncommon. Raids would be organized under strong leaders, and adventurous men would join these daring expeditions. Armed with Javelins and axes, they form a flexible and formidable unit. Their morale and loyalty is often questionable though, and if the battle turns sour, they might as well turn tail and run.
Ships:
Small boat
Before roads were common and forests covered most of the land, boats were a very efficient form of transport. They could be used to travel along the cost of the Sea or along the lakes and rivers of the inland regions. They could hold a fairly large crew, and made a good, cheap form of a trading navy.
Baltic longboat
A larger and more capable vessel with both sail and oars. Much like the Viking ships in size and shape. In general, very capable vessels. The Curonians in particular excelled in the art of shipbuilding, and their ships were up to viking standards.
Agents:
Zitnieki
The Zitnieki are wise men who know all the ancient secrets, and the answers to all questions. Their wisdom and guidance kept the individualistic pagan faith of the ancient Baltic tribes alive, and help to spread it. They are the collective memory of their tribe, and their lore is great indeed.
Woah... That was exhausting.... Anyway, if I missed something, if you have any complaints, suggestions, I'm all ears.
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