banning

[1dread1lahll]

Ive grow quite tired of the skillessness of this game, and as I don't play it to entertain some skilless monkey of a rusher who makes up for a lack of skill by bringing 16 melee units, I will hence make liberal use of the ban feature. This is not a debate post; this is informational....bring a rush army...game ends and I ban you. Rushers don't bother responding here, I don't care what you think, as long as you are not wasting my time you can rush whoever you want...but I'm not going to waste my time with you.

[LadyAnn]

Trish Take note here

Well, trish doesn't seems to read this forum anyways :)

Annie

[Cazbol]

[Vexilles]

i dont mean to be offensive but isnt this post a lil rediculous?

[dessa14]

i have no problem with rushing as long, as it is strategic and not just throwing all your men on the enemy.

for a quicker player rushing can create a shock factor and chaos amongst the other players troops allowing you to pull off a really good flanking move.

i know alot of players that try to do one thing, force the other player into a missile duel where they can't possibly win, or try to slow the game down to a point where player speed is not important anymore and that strategy is the only deciding factor.

some rushers are noobs. others use a rush to give their speed the advantage, where they do not have the experienance to fight a slow battle.

thanks, dessa

[Dionysus9]

well, lahll is of course entitled to his opinion, and I know what he means. Balanced armies are much more interesting to play with and agains.

But, ultimately, in my opinion "all if fair in love and war" and rushing isn't an exploit (like the swipe). You should be able to counter it if you know its coming.

[Tomisama]

I don’t think it’s countering the rush that’s the problem.

It’s “wasting time” with a person who has not taken the time to learn the game, and under stand the community they are playing in.

I agree

If you want to slam-dunk a mind-less victory, there are hundreds first person shooter games out there for the “testosteronely challenged”.

Just go do it there. Please

Edit: I am not talking about the calculated charge, but the mass through away of your troops because you don’t know how to use them.

[spacecadet]

Im not sure you really needed to post that your games are now off limits to newbs......

[dessa14]

a full out rush can also be a strategy to help your allies.
if you break the flank of the enemy, they may panic and try to reinforce the flank, with troops from their own army, this will subsequently lessen the battle for your allies, remember it may go both ways, so be very careful if you try it.
thanks dessa

[Pitt_Slayer]

well i know how you feel BUT life being as it is
we've just got to bit our lip and get on with it
hehe wait untill RTW come's out
we have all the red alert\tomb raider type's, telling us how to play

[Tomisama]

Funny sometimes you go back and read your own posts and realize you missed the point. Your response may have been somehow relevant, but really you were out chasing your own demons?

[t1master]

ya forums can be kinda therapuitic at times.

[7Bear7Scar]

Hey Lahll - you may be missing out on some great fun.

I had a game the other day with a great new guy - he took an all spear army and rushed. He wasnt upset, wasnt offended when I giggled in ally chat at set up (in fact, he giggled with me), took some of my (dubious) advice on army selection for his next game, and stayed to watch the game after his 60 second rout.

It was his 2nd game online, but his, and his allies, sense of humour made it a great fun game.

I think that if you want deadly serious action, who know whose games to join, or who to invite. But surely what makes us a special community is the encouragement that we give to such players and the laughs we all share. The only people I will ban are those who consistently quit games and/or are very abusive. Other than these, everyone deserves a second chance.

I wonder if these rushers would get a ban from your games if they were successful at taking an army off the field quickly. Are you saying that you have never seized the moment when your enemy has deployed at a 90 degree angle?

Quote[/b] ]hehe wait untill RTW come's out
we have all the red alert\tomb raider type's, telling us how to play

And whats wrong with Red Alert? (the only other game I have been addicted to)

[Brutal DLX]

That's only fair, however, there are unforeseen consequences for every decision we make.

[The_Emperor]

Rushers either win quickly or die horribly... Most of the time the latter. (especially in team games)

I have played very few games where a player decided to neglect all missile troops and focus on rushing, but there were a couple, and in both the rushers were given a right beating.

As someone has already said, its good to have a laugh in such situations

[Kanuni]

LOL a few days ago, some undercover wanted to play 1v1 with me but asked me not to get my cav Turk army I accepted because he was kind of like challenging me. As a reason for asking not to take my Turk army he said he prefers to play with balanced armies.
So I just chose same faction of his, and when the game started I LMAO The guy who had just said he wanted to played with balanced armies brought 16 combat units, no missiles
He lost though

I understand lahll's points and agree with him. However I don't ban those noobs, because beating their 16 combat units army with 12 or 13 is fun and it is like humiliating them

[tootee]

1. we should respect one's opinion and decision. Lahll has his right to ban and we should respect his decision.. not ridiculing it.

2. not all rushers are newbies.

3. not all rushes are mind-less.

4. inexperience rush by newbie should be corrected, otherwise it may well be "wasting" time for the other player, since it takes no effort in dealing with it.

5. handling rush can be challenging and fun for some players.

Overall, have fun.. if the way battle is conducted doesnt appeal to you *arty, all spear, all peasant, lousy rush*, inform the other parties for their understanding.. the next one maybe an epic battle experience.

[ElmarkOFear]

Also, if you remember, place a "No Rush Game" in the game title. This way everyone should know what they are getting into before entering the game. You may have to explain, what you consider "Rushing", because you can rush with any type of army. I have even rushed with an all missile army a time or two. :)

For example, I found once I called me game "Elmo's No Arty", the number of times people brought arty was few. Those few were then given one chance to play again. If they did it again, they were banned at that point.

[Muneyoshi]

For me I deal and dont deal with rushers. What I mean is, if the person is in a clan they are banned imediately after the match is finished but if you can tell they are new then I will help them depending on their attitude (Willing to listen, etc. etc. You guys know the type im talking) I just cant stand when someone in a clan takes a rush army though, it makes them and their clans look very badly.

Just for the record, I consider rush armies to consist of cav+missles only or 16 units of just cav or inf.

Edit: On the issue of banning if in clan, I mean even a remotely known small clan.

[LadyAnn]

Aww, come on, ban whoever you want :)

Annie

[Muneyoshi]

Ok *goes off to ban Elmo and Ichi*

[Cazbol]

This whole complaining about rushing is exactly the same as the complaining about camping in Counter-Strike. It's choosing a tactic for the opponent rahter than adapting to different tactics. Proper use of archers can be devastating and can win the battle, but many seem to consider an archery duel before melee a sort of a ritual that has to be completed to lengthen the battle.

That being said, you all have the right to choose opponents who stick to your preferred tactics.

[ichi]

*also bans Elmo and ichi*

D'oh

ichi

[Tempiic]

Quote[/b] (Muneyoshi @ May 10 2004,06:11)]For me I deal and dont deal with rushers. What I mean is,
Just for the record, I consider rush armies to consist of cav+missles only

Edit: On the issue of banning if in clan, I mean even a remotely known small clan.

Oh great... guess i will get banned quite quickly

[CBR]

Quote[/b] (Muneyoshi @ May 10 2004,06:11)]Just for the record, I consider rush armies to consist of cav+missles only or 16 units of just cav or inf.

Oi whats wrong with my good old 12 cav 4 missile "shoot and swipe" army


CBR

[Jochi Khan]

Hehe

They can shoot but they can't swipe.

...Jochi

[ElmarkOFear]

Everybody is always breaking my "Don't Rout Elmo's Army" rule

Ichi: No need trying to ban Elmo. I banned him months ago, but I still have to play with that bastid hehe

[Kanuni]

Quote[/b] ]Oi whats wrong with my good old 12 cav 4 missile "shoot and swipe" army

Actually nothing
Although I don't have any rules in my games I can understand people who are not enjoying to play against rush armies. I can even understand if they complain about this or ban the player.
But I can't understand people who complains about 3-4 missiles + therest cavs. That's simply army of choice without intending rushing.

Quote[/b] ]Just for the record, I consider rush armies to consist of cav+missles only or 16 units of just cav or inf.

Quote[/b] ]What I mean is, if the person is in a clan they are banned imediately after the match is finished

Well you can ban me too then I often take 3-4 missiles and the rest cav (along with a couple of horse archers). This is simply my choice of army sometimes. What is your limit then? 4 missiles 4 inf 8 cav? 4 missiles 3 inf 9 cav? 4 missiles 2 inf 10 cav? Is it OK if I get only 1 inf??? Maybe I want to take missiles + a few spears + cav. Is it OK? If rush is not intended then this is simply up to choice of the user. After all taking too many spears against many cavs is its counter. Just like cav which should be infs' counter. This is all about RPS rule m8

[Muneyoshi]

You most understood me, I dont mind those armies, I mind those armies when they are just rush armies which is what they are for 90% of the time.

[Sp00n]

This is a silly post Lahll M8 I have to say, every game ends in some sort of rush at one point and lets face it defeating a newbie rush normally isnt very hard as a lot of the time they target a lot if not all of thier units on one of yours, why dont you just ban all newbies like certain players do with thier no newbs game names or veterans only (and we all wonder why we have only 250 online players).

I quite like it when people rush at least its a bit of variety and it doesnt happen too often, AMPs been doing it occasionally for ages anyone remember those all Monk armies coming your way, or all Yaris, its just an aspect of the game.
How would you class a player who takes 3 LBs and rushes you and just leaves the LBs behind his infantry centre killing your Gen or infantry? or how the turks can sometimes be used in similar ways?



Sp00n