HRE

[Empirate]

If you have any doubts about winning just about any kind of campaign (haven't tried late Byzzies yet, though...), you haven't been playing this game very long. It should be a foregone conclusion that you will eventually win. But it's getting there that is fun. HRE have an interesting starting position (as in "may you live in interesting times"). After they have survived the initial phase of all-out war on all fronts, they will be very powerful, yes. But just because the game is "basically" won then doesn't mean there's a reason to quit, does it? It's still fun to play. If it wasn't, I'd not be playing M:TW at all anymore.

Sorry for the double post. Moderator, please remove, if possible. Thanks.

[Maximillian von Hapsburg]

MedMod sounds interesting. I've got a few questions,

1) Are the units historically accurate?
2) Is it compatible with XL?
3) Where can I get it?! :D


Yours,



Max :)

[Deus ret.]

1) Are the units historically accurate?
2) Is it compatible with XL?
3) Where can I get it?! :D

hi max,

1) although I'm studying history myself I really don't have a clue. at least their names sound quite realistic....

2) no, you'll either have to make a separate MTW install or uninstall XL - if that's not possible, you'll have to re-install MTW:VI again. A much easier way is to use a mod-switcher tool which allows you to activate and deactivate mods as you need. ...although you need a clean MTW:VI install to get it to work properly.

3) this link
leads to a thread about the mod with all important information and a discussion. WesW, the mod's creator, is no longer active but the available stuff should suffice.

If you want to share your HRE MedMod experiences I'd be interested, the MedMod campaign with this faction is among the most outstanding I ever had.

[Ludens]

As for the first question, historical accuracy was never the first concern of the MedMod. WesW claimed he has improved things in the v4 version, but as long as he uses Huscarles as the Danish Royal Guard I would take that with a pinch of salt.

[Deus ret.]

but as long as he uses Huscarles as the Danish Royal Guard I would take that with a pinch of salt.

Does he? I played a Swedish campaign recently and I am absolutely sure that the Royal Guard units are Hirden in Early, Scandinavian Knights in high and armoured Hirden in Late. ....?

[Ludens]

Does he? I played a Swedish campaign recently and I am absolutely sure that the Royal Guard units are Hirden in Early, Scandinavian Knights in high and armoured Hirden in Late. ....?

It is? I haven't played the latest version of MedMod, but I do remember WesW saying that the Danish Royal Guard would stay Huscarles, because he wanted the Danes to be an infantry power. I am pretty sure he was refering to v4, but it was a long time ago.

[Kavhan Isbul]

The Danes and the Swedes royal BGs are Hirden, Scandinavian Knights and Armored Hirden, but the Danes/Swedes are still an infantry power, and more specifically blade infantry power, as they have no spear infantry in Early. This lack of spears was intended for balancing purposes, i guess, but it is certainly a bit ahistorical. I would agree that the main concern of MedMod was balanced and challenging gameplay, and not historical accuracy. There are some small problems when it comes to historical accuracy, such as the Pechenegs being Catholic and having a Hungarian unit roster, but these are easily fixable and do not detract from the mod.

[caravel]

MedMod sounds interesting. I've got a few questions,

1) Are the units historically accurate?
2) Is it compatible with XL?
3) Where can I get it?! :D


Yours,



Max :)

There are no very historically accurate mods for MTW. MTW doesn't have it's EB or it's RTR. IMHO the most historically accurate mod I've come across to date is probably the BKB Super Mod. It's not totally accurate of course but it's probably as close to it as they come.

[oz_wwjd]

Also it isnt all over once you subdued your enemies.If you get excomm'ed for aggression and experience mass uprisings as a result,things get interesting,expecially if the Hungarians/French decide to take advantage of the uprisings.

[Martok]

expecially if the Hungarians/French decide to take advantage of the uprisings.

....And they will. (I don't think I've ever seen either faction pass up an opportunity to pound on the poor Germans!) As has been said elsewhere, surviving and prospering as the HRE seems to require as much luck as it does skill -- good tactics and strategy alone aren't always enough to ensure their success.

If you can get the Empire through the first 20 years or so without a major war, then they have a decent chance of becoming the dominant power on the continent. It's getting through those first 20 years that's tricky, however!

[Deus ret.]

If you can get the Empire through the first 20 years or so without a major war, then they have a decent chance of becoming the dominant power on the continent. It's getting through those first 20 years that's tricky, however!

It is indeed tricky, but it probably won't be possible without a major war. The AI is extremely aggressive towards the faction and since it's impossible to properly garrison all borders at once they WILL find themselves in some kind of conflict within 10 years. And given the abundance of surrounding hostile factions it is highly advisable to strike first to avoid being overrun on all fronts at once (see post #38).

That said, it is mainly through those inavoidable early wars that the HRE can emerge as the dominant power on the continent..... i.e. either they master the challenge and become really strong or they go down and perish. I've never seen another development in any of my games so far, with the latter possibility being by far the most frequent.

[Vladimir]

Best bet to avoid an early war is to build a paper tiger army of urban militia. They can't fight very well but it will look impressive.