What a Heart breaker

[Shepherd78]

I just spent a whopping 7 hours playing straight just because i wanted to see the gothic knights in action, BLAH the royal knights are still by far the best in my oppinion.... any one beg to differ? .....I have found that foot soldiers, so far as being the toughest seem to be the armored swiss pikemen. I would like to hear what you all think as well ....so START YAPPIN


This will be my silly post, Thanks for your responses ahead of time

aniel

[katank]

7 hours straight? custom battles would have saved you the wait.

BTW, I think Gothics are overrated. Me prefer lancers who happen to be identical to late royals in stats.

BTW, I like JHI for toughest foot. JHI can maul SAPs especially in desert or the forest.

best polearm > best pike

[Gregoshi]

Greetings Shepherd and welcome to the Org.

I can't say which are the toughest, but I will say I don't like using tough units when I play online because I have to work harder to get them to rout.

[ichi]

Sure, Royals are good, but there's only 20 per unit. There is a long running thread arguing whether Gothics or Lancers are better.

Gothics are slow, but powerful and armor piercing with their maces, while Lancers have great defense. Run a unit of Gothics into another Knight (of equal valor) and the Goths will usually win handily.

Katank and I argue over whether Pronoiai Allagion or Kataphraktoi are the better Byz cav (of course Porno Cav is better IMO), but Katank (AKA Kataphraktoi Are Tanks) and I agree that Lancers rule the Catholic heavy cav.

In another long argued thread you can find the various proponents of JHI, SAPs, Chivalric Foot Knights, and Varangian Guard discussing the reasons why each is the best infantry. JHI are the some of the best anti-cav that can also fight swords or spears, CFKs are very tough but again, only 40 man units, SAPs are very nice, but like Katank says, can get mauled.

I think that VG are the best all around infantry unit.

ichi

[katank]

ichi's actually right about varangs being great units.

they actually beat JHI one on one.

however, things that varangs have going against it is mainly the two year build time.

also, it doesn't do as well against cav and the armor can be bad in the desert although nowhere as severe as SAPs or GFK.

however, note that in VI, the Viking Huscarles are actually equal stat to the Varangs considering they require armorer.

they only require one year

now if you mod in joms, there would be absolutely no question as to the best

[thomonkey]

man, there are soooo many units in MTW. I cant keep track of them. haha Shogun was simple.

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] ]however, note that in VI, the Viking Huscarles are actually equal stat to the Varangs considering they require armorer.

And how long does it take to build a master spearmaker (+1 valor for varangians) in Constantinople in early?

[Bhruic]

Sure. But I'll take my 2 units of 0 valour Huscarles against your 1 unit of 1 valour VGs any day. And win, obviously.

Bh

[PseRamesses]

I agre with Katank and others that JHI and VG are the best unless you´re in a desert that is.