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    I know this is the type of thing for the tavern, but being a lowly junior patron(for now,) I can't get in there and post. I saw a new thread about Pat Tillman, an NFL player, specifically for the Cardinals, being killed in Iraq. Again, I know thats not a proper entrance hall topic, but I wanted to say something because I live in Arizona, and its been on the local news all morning, they've had press conferences, etc.. The Cardinals suck, I'm the first person to say that. I'd probably only heard his name once or twice before, and not thought anything of it. He's not a superstar or a big name player like a Mike Vick or an Elway or even a Warren Sapp, (who's getting less and less impressive). But however you cut it he was a pro football player, with a pro football contract, and we all know thats a lot of money, and he gave that up willingly to go serve his country, and to die for it. Regardless of how you feel about the administration, or the war, or national policy, or whatever, thats one guy who, like every other person over there, can be unilaterally admired, if nothing else. Again, just a lowly junior patron shouting towards the tavern.

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    I'll transplant this for you.
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    I Appreciate that, thanks.

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    From what I said in that thread in the tavern -

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Just another man killed because of an illegal war... Just because he used to be an NFL star makes him different in what way?... The fact that it takes a NFL star to die until the casulties are even thought about over there is a statement in itself.
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    Quote[/b] ]I have every respect for anyone who serves their country like this. What I do not give extra special respect for is that he made a choice that he wanted to fight. He has his reasons he initiated them. We should not have to disapprove, hate, respect, stop, these types of decisions, we should just accept them as his decision and leave it at that.
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    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Hey, I agree with you about the war. And there isn't any difference between him and any of the other men and women being killed overseas. I'm just locla in Arizona, and have the same college in common with him (ASU), and the local news here has been flooded with stuff about him, so I just felt obligated to say something, since everyone else was.

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    How can you say the war in Afghanistan is an illegal war? Leaving aside Iraq, there is and always has been broad international consensus on what the coalition is doing in Afghanistan in response to 9/11. The UN and NATO have been on board from the beginning.
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    Look out, JAG. I think I sense a couple of newbie conservatives coming aboard. And it came to pass in the Tavern in those days, that they knew the end was neigh. And, yeah verily, there WAS much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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    I hope your not calling me a conservative. Thats just cruel. I agree with Jag, I can't stand Bush. Afganistan may have had some loose merit warranting an invasion post- 9/11, I'll agree to that, but Iraq has been BS'ed since day one. No link to direct terrorism (other than the fact that now the US has stirred up even more anti-American sentiment), no weapons, and please don't call me a conversative. Thats a bad bad word. bad. Registered Independent, strong democratic leanings, wouldn't break if I saw a republican crossing the street.

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    Lol godfrey. I plan to start a Gregoshi cult club soon, so watch out.
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    Which reminds me, I just noticed now I'm a senior patron, so I can leave the entrance hall (silence.... crickets chirping) Well, I could[I]leave, if I figure out somewhere else to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (WarlordMasterHiji @ April 27 2004,14:54)]Lol godfrey. I plan to start a Gregoshi cult club soon, so watch out.
    And this is MY Gregoshi cult club:

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (WarlordMasterHiji @ April 27 2004,15:54)]Lol godfrey. I plan to start a Gregoshi cult club soon, so watch out.
    For some reason everybody is over eager to pledge their blood to Gregoshi. This makes two cults for him now . Maybe it's his green mask, maybe it's his vast army of , Hmm i will never know. Gah I can't be troubled thinking about this...i better slip back to the mead hall before i am hunted down by these anti-spam-Cult of Gregoshi-fanatics

    But just so this won't be spam and i don't instigate the wrath of the culties...



    Congratz on your promotion Xecthilor



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    I'm comin' with you Monk. Guys like me usually end up dead...
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    dont worry greg i'll cover your back, and rain the EH with spam while i'm at it (i wish i could edit this to make it, the end of the entrance hall is near)
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    Something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Lord Ovaat @ April 27 2004,15:13)]
    And it came to pass in the Tavern in those days, that they knew the end was neigh. And, yeah verily, there WAS much wailing and gnashing of teeth.



    ...and there was much defication....
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