Attacking overseas

[Apocalyp$e]

I can't seem to attack some provinces on the campaign map even though i have fleets in every space of water. There are no enemy fleets blockading me either, as there is not a single enemy fleet anywhere on the map. What is stopping me from moving where i want to go? I can attack 1 province but not another even though they have their ports in the same area of water...
For example I can attack provence but not genoa. I just can't figure out the determining factor here, there does not seem to be any correllation between the types of buildings or occuyping units...
What exactly am I missing here?

[JAG]

Poviding you have a complete line of ships from the province your army is in and the province you want to attack.

Providing you have a port in the province your army is in and want to move from.

There should be no problem :/

[Bayushi Togai]

I have had a similar problem Apoc. I've played as danes and had a baltic sea teeming with my longboats, and a country full of vikings just desparate to loot and pillage the ruskies...and for some reason I do not understand I cannot move to certain provices. It is one of the many points of frustration with MTW that keeps me snuggled close to the elegant simplicity of Shogun

I wish I could help, but a little sympathy may at least ease the pain slightly.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Are you sure that the target province in question is not Rodhos or Malta and that your ships aren't in an incorrect sea region?
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[JAG]

Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ May 02 2004,02:13)]-
Are you sure that the target province in question is not Rodhos or Malta and that your ships aren't in an incorrect sea region?
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Very good point.

[Apocalyp$e]

Damn, I tried running a few turns and still nothing, I really don't see any reason for this to happen... I need to attack some of spain's provinces but I can't get to them except overland through like 5 other factions. I have like a million boats in every space of water except the Deep ones as i only have barques, yet still, for some reason i can't attack anywhere. I am only at war with the danes & Novs and they have no boats to blockade me. I can only attack a couple almo provs, byzantine, pope, an 1 italian prov. I thought it might have some thing to do with alliances, but no, as i can attack some italian states but not others. I am reallly confused here. Spain is eating up all my allies and i can't attack them at all.

[Maychargewithoutorders]

I've never had this problem myself but my flatmate has. I thought it was something to do with the version number as ive got VI and hes got vanilla (a cracked version at that). Im not sure whether or not this was one of the fixes that they've made tho......

[Apocalyp$e]

I have the VI expansion and patch running.... So this wasn't an issue in the non-expansion version?

[Bayushi Togai]

Perhaps you could email someone a copy of your savegame file and they could look at the situation firsthand to pin down the deciding factor. As I said, I have the same problem and don't know MTW well, or I'd volunteer.

[Xiphias]

I have this happen sometimes where there are some ships of the invadees in that area of land.

For example I wanted to invade the northernmost irish province held by the scots. I was neutral to them and I had boats in ever region. However it wouldn't let me invade. Since the scots had a boat in that region too I decided to destroy it. Once it was dead I could happoly invade.

[octavian]

Quote[/b] (Bayushi Togai @ May 02 2004,12:01)] Perhaps you could email someone a copy of your savegame file and they could look at the situation firsthand to pin down the deciding factor. As I said, I have the same problem and don't know MTW well, or I'd volunteer.

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[Maychargewithoutorders]

Quote[/b] (Apocalyp$e @ May 02 2004,07:26)]So this wasn't an issue in the non-expansion version?

No it was the issue with the non-expanded version, as i said ive got VI and havent come across that problem yet (touch wood)

[Oaty]

Quote[/b] (Xiphias @ May 02 2004,15:02)]I have this happen sometimes where there are some ships of the invadees in that area of land.

For example I wanted to invade the northernmost irish province held by the scots. I was neutral to them and I had boats in ever region. However it wouldn't let me invade. Since the scots had a boat in that region too I decided to destroy it. Once it was dead I could happoly invade.

This is a very good point and if this is not the answer my only guess for a non-modded game where the A.I. doesnt train very many ships for most factions would maybe be is that they are 1 year away from popping out a new ship. 90 percent of the times I notice a problem like this and I do some thinking an pondering






.......... still pondering (me not that smart) and I realize oh how stupid of me to overlook that.

I have to say that XIPHIAS has hit the nail on the head for most people running into this problem

[Impaler]

The same with one of my brothers games. He had the Italians and was ready to take his crusade from Sardinia ( 82% zeal )to attack Tripoli. He had ships in a perfect chain and there were ports everywhere in middle east and not a single one enemy ship ANYWHERE near there. And he just couldn't move the damn thing there. He could move it even in Trapezoid and Armenia or Egypt but not to Tripoli and Antioch. And I say again there where no enemy ships at the time near this places. And I had the VI on ( no patch).
My guess is that it has something to do with the unit productive process ( but I can't remember any ships near there after 2 end years ).

[Kaatar]

I think there's some rule that if you are at war with with Danes (let's say) and they are allied with the French (for example), then the French will block you from attacking the Danes if they have ships along the trail. It doesn't affect trade but they can stop invasions.

[Ulair]

Sounds like it might be down to the simultaneity of orders thing - you order your army to land in the same year that the target province (or another enemy province that shares the same sea region) produces a new boat. Don't forgot you're not actually making the moves, you're just laying down the orders for them. Because all these things are resolved simultaneously after you hit End Turn (a la Diplomacy - now there's a game...), the game won't let you make what would become an illegal move.

That's my best guess (and sounds like what Xiphias and oaty were saying).

Cheers,
Ulair

[Ulair]

Quote[/b] (Kaatar @ May 03 2004,12:57)]I think there's some rule that if you are at war with with Danes (let's say) and they are allied with the French (for example), then the French will block you from attacking the Danes if they have ships along the trail. It doesn't affect trade but they can stop invasions.

Ooh, that's an interesting point. Can anyone confirm: do the ships of your enemy's allies stop your sea-borne invasions?

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[Apocalyp$e]

Quote[/b] (Ulair @ May 03 2004,07:07)]Ooh, that's an interesting point. Can anyone confirm: do the ships of your enemy's allies stop your sea-borne invasions?

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I was thinking this might be the problem, but it can't be, because I can attack Provence but not Genoa, even though they are in the same area of sea, both Italian, both have ports, not that the port thing matters since i can attack some places with no ports, i just can't leave them.

So just the fact that they are in the same area of sea means that an ally couldn't be blocking me from one and not the other.

[pdoan8]

Quote[/b] (Apocalyp$e @ May 02 2004,02:08)]Damn, I tried running a few turns and still nothing, I really don't see any reason for this to happen... I need to attack some of spain's provinces but I can't get to them except overland through like 5 other factions. I have like a million boats in every space of water except the Deep ones as i only have barques, yet still, for some reason i can't attack anywhere. I am only at war with the danes & Novs and they have no boats to blockade me. I can only attack a couple almo provs, byzantine, pope, an 1 italian prov. I thought it might have some thing to do with alliances, but no, as i can attack some italian states but not others. I am reallly confused here. Spain is eating up all my allies and i can't attack them at all.

If you are attacking the Spain, the Danes and The Novs won't matter. You have to make sure that the Spain doesn't have any ship to protect its coast. In your later post, I think that the Italian have a ship in Ligurian Sea (?) but not in Gulf of Lions. In this case, you can attack Provence if you have your chain of ships to Gulf of Lions. However, the Italian ship in Ligurian Sea will protect Genoa from amphibious attack. Some provinces touch more than one sea regions. To protect such province from amphibious attack, ship must be present in all sea regions.

Your allies' ships won't help to protect your coast line. Same for the AI. But hostile ship can disrupt the chain of ships. Thus, can prevent the enemy from moving freely.

Ship will automatic protect the coast line where it is in. So, no sneaky attack.

Most of the time, naval superior have to be achieved in order to conduct amphibious attack without limitation.

[octavian]

Quote[/b] (octavian @ May 02 2004,15:25)]

Quote[/b] (Bayushi Togai @ May 02 2004,12:01)] Perhaps you could email someone a copy of your savegame file and they could look at the situation firsthand to pin down the deciding factor. As I said, I have the same problem and don't know MTW well, or I'd volunteer.

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[octavian]

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[Apocalyp$e]

I haven't ben able to explain all of it, but i think the reason I cannot attack the spanish, is because they are currently crusading. It is now like 50 years later in the campaign, and i can now attack spain, but i cannot land on any english land overseas-low and behold they are on crusade.... So I guess you cannot land on a crusading faction's coasts by boat, but I guess I will look up that savegame and send it to you guy's. Something newer and WAAAAy stranger just happened to me in this very same campaign though, it is located on this thread...
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....t=17807