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Sufidar Bashi: Commander of the Safavid Order
Qullar Bashi: Royal Guard commander
Qurchi Bashi: Cavalry Commander
Is that Enough?
Let me know if theirs more I can do
Sufidar Bashi: Commander of the Safavid Order
Qullar Bashi: Royal Guard commander
Qurchi Bashi: Cavalry Commander
Is that Enough?
Let me know if theirs more I can do
Originally Posted by Radier:
They haven't released 1.5 yet so that question might be hard to answer.
I meant 1.5... They haven't released 1.5 yet so that question might be hard to answer.
I guess 
Give me like a % complete pls
Time for some screenshots...
Let's start with some eastern european stuff, shall we ?
Historical battles are slowly transformed thanks to the new animations
Klushino 1610
Some new units
Russian Oprychniki NKVD from the XVIth century. They were wearing black uniforms and placed severed wolf's heads on their saddles to show that they will have no mercy to any opposing Ivan the Terrible's orders.
Ottoman Delil - 'hot-headed' cavalry mainly from Serbia. They were wearing most impressive uniforms at that time, but like the Ladsknechts before there was nothing to question their fearsome reputation.
Many eastern antions used warwagons to create mobile strongholds incredibly useful in the steppes especially against cavalry. They were carrying supplies as well so this way the usually the weakest part of the marching army ( baggage train) became one of the strongest ones.
Many nations had their own dragoons sometimes wearing different clothes and even wearing armour like these imperial dragoons
Most of them were unarmoured
Many dragoon units from late XVIIth century had uniforms amazingly similar to the ones used in Poland - one of the results of polish-french contacts ( many Frenchmen served in polish dragoon units) and the victory at Vienna in 1683 - England for example created one dragoon unit wearing the uniforms intended to be in 'polish fashion'
One century earlier...
Burgundian cavalry formed elite of Spanish horsemen - they were called Archeros and used lances to deadly effect
Petronel were light cavalry using calivers - smaller arquebuses. Their willingless to fight was questionable, but provided the army with a useful skirmishing screen.
Thanks to the impressive work of the ORG member Inal the Great Circassia is added on late as a new, quite interesting faction.
More screens later - I am saving some...
Regards Cegorach
Let's start with some eastern european stuff, shall we ?
Historical battles are slowly transformed thanks to the new animations
Klushino 1610
Some new units
Russian Oprychniki NKVD from the XVIth century. They were wearing black uniforms and placed severed wolf's heads on their saddles to show that they will have no mercy to any opposing Ivan the Terrible's orders.
Ottoman Delil - 'hot-headed' cavalry mainly from Serbia. They were wearing most impressive uniforms at that time, but like the Ladsknechts before there was nothing to question their fearsome reputation.
Many eastern antions used warwagons to create mobile strongholds incredibly useful in the steppes especially against cavalry. They were carrying supplies as well so this way the usually the weakest part of the marching army ( baggage train) became one of the strongest ones.
Many nations had their own dragoons sometimes wearing different clothes and even wearing armour like these imperial dragoons
Most of them were unarmoured
Many dragoon units from late XVIIth century had uniforms amazingly similar to the ones used in Poland - one of the results of polish-french contacts ( many Frenchmen served in polish dragoon units) and the victory at Vienna in 1683 - England for example created one dragoon unit wearing the uniforms intended to be in 'polish fashion'
One century earlier...
Burgundian cavalry formed elite of Spanish horsemen - they were called Archeros and used lances to deadly effect
Petronel were light cavalry using calivers - smaller arquebuses. Their willingless to fight was questionable, but provided the army with a useful skirmishing screen.
Thanks to the impressive work of the ORG member Inal the Great Circassia is added on late as a new, quite interesting faction.
More screens later - I am saving some...
Regards Cegorach
@Beauchamp
Impressive, very impressive research - how the hell did you find it ? If you don't mind to tell me.
Could you add the unit names in Persian/Iranian or whatever language was the most realistic - maybe Inal the Great could help ? If I remember correctly he has an Iranian neighbour...
For now it is enough I will implement it in the game now, maybe only more images... I know it is hard to find them, but I will present your reasearch to the OiM TW team and they should be very interested I am sure.
@Inal the Great
I would say - it is around 95 % of what is necessary, but I finished work yeasterday so I have finally some free time...
Regards Cegorach
Impressive, very impressive research - how the hell did you find it ? If you don't mind to tell me.
Could you add the unit names in Persian/Iranian or whatever language was the most realistic - maybe Inal the Great could help ? If I remember correctly he has an Iranian neighbour...
For now it is enough I will implement it in the game now, maybe only more images... I know it is hard to find them, but I will present your reasearch to the OiM TW team and they should be very interested I am sure.
@Inal the Great
I would say - it is around 95 % of what is necessary, but I finished work yeasterday so I have finally some free time...
Regards Cegorach
Great Shots Cegorach,
Anyway, the only probelm with translating units names etc. is that A: their in arabic or persian script, B: The old persian that the Safavids spoke is basically gone and C: unless anyone else knows, they spoke a form of Turkic, but not like Ottoman Turkish, but very Eastern Turkic. I have some of the unit names above, like Kizilbash or the word for Musketeer which should be ok.
Also,
For the generals Gulam bodyguards, I did some more reasearch and they mainly used the great persian Maces and swords, they were more like shock cavalry, same with the Kizilbash.
Anyway, the only probelm with translating units names etc. is that A: their in arabic or persian script, B: The old persian that the Safavids spoke is basically gone and C: unless anyone else knows, they spoke a form of Turkic, but not like Ottoman Turkish, but very Eastern Turkic. I have some of the unit names above, like Kizilbash or the word for Musketeer which should be ok.
Also,
For the generals Gulam bodyguards, I did some more reasearch and they mainly used the great persian Maces and swords, they were more like shock cavalry, same with the Kizilbash.
Wow.. Amazing detail! I will definitely reinstall MTW just for this mod! Good work.
here is a picture of the safavid flag
http://sun.menloschool.org/~sportman...avid/flag1.jpg
This could be used for the campaign flag.
Also, another rare picture of a Qizilbash soldier
http://i-cias.com/e.o/safavids04-img.htm
And what looks like a university site that has prints similar to the Circassian ones Imal the Great has in the circassian thread:
http://bss.sfsu.edu/behrooz/Safavid.htm
Apparently, during the reign of Shah Abbas I, Georgia was conquered and the turks were beaten from Baghdad by this new Persian army. After his conquest, he went into Georgia and began to recruit soldiers from the rebels he had fought, who were known for their fierceness and even enlisted an elite cavalry guard of 25,000 Georgian cavalry. These Georgian, Circassian and Armenian Ghulams began to act like the Janisarries in regaining control etc.
http://sun.menloschool.org/~sportman...avid/flag1.jpg
This could be used for the campaign flag.
Also, another rare picture of a Qizilbash soldier
http://i-cias.com/e.o/safavids04-img.htm
And what looks like a university site that has prints similar to the Circassian ones Imal the Great has in the circassian thread:
http://bss.sfsu.edu/behrooz/Safavid.htm
Apparently, during the reign of Shah Abbas I, Georgia was conquered and the turks were beaten from Baghdad by this new Persian army. After his conquest, he went into Georgia and began to recruit soldiers from the rebels he had fought, who were known for their fierceness and even enlisted an elite cavalry guard of 25,000 Georgian cavalry. These Georgian, Circassian and Armenian Ghulams began to act like the Janisarries in regaining control etc.
Generally this site will help you greatly in research (unless it is really a hard one)
http://www.allempires.com/
The forums are really nice and there are members everywhere around the world
95% Done?
Cool!!!
http://www.allempires.com/
The forums are really nice and there are members everywhere around the world
95% Done?
Cool!!!
WOW!Impressing work Master of the Mod:)
Those units are adapted with the game with great professionalism,and the Kłuszyn looks awesome!!!Can`t wait to kick some enemy bottoms
Those units are adapted with the game with great professionalism,and the Kłuszyn looks awesome!!!Can`t wait to kick some enemy bottoms
More screens
new offices have been added
some old units got new descriptions
more animations
free lancer from early XVIth century
elite sipahi - note western shape of their helmets
@ Inal the Great - I will need more office titles for Circassia - try to find some, please
@ Beauchamp
Impressive work - if you have problems with the names use the english spelling of their names.
Were gulam pikemen really armed with pikes - so no shields ?? - and how long these were ?
Were they armoured ?
Who was more numerous in persian armies infantry or cavalry ?
I need to set their numbers at certain level.
Regards Cegorach
new offices have been added
some old units got new descriptions
more animations
free lancer from early XVIth century
elite sipahi - note western shape of their helmets
@ Inal the Great - I will need more office titles for Circassia - try to find some, please
@ Beauchamp
Impressive work - if you have problems with the names use the english spelling of their names.
Were gulam pikemen really armed with pikes - so no shields ?? - and how long these were ?
Were they armoured ?
Who was more numerous in persian armies infantry or cavalry ?
I need to set their numbers at certain level.
Regards Cegorach
Hey I am still searching for more titles posted some posibilities in Circassians section but anyway I actually wanted to ask how many you want?
Try to give me a number (yea I like working with numbers
)
1-2, 3-5, 10+, as much as I can?
Try to give me a number (yea I like working with numbers
)1-2, 3-5, 10+, as much as I can?
Awsome Screens!
Anyway.
In the early eras, the Persian armies were more cavalry then infantry, and used mainly horse archers and Kizilbash, Late/High eras, mostly Pikemen (trained western fashion, without shields, medium armored) and Musketeers, I think I sent a picture...
Cavalry still important, but not the mainstay, Abbas used his Ghulams to push back most of his enemies, and aparently were equipped and trained in western fashion. So more superior firepower then ottomans basically.
Anyway.
In the early eras, the Persian armies were more cavalry then infantry, and used mainly horse archers and Kizilbash, Late/High eras, mostly Pikemen (trained western fashion, without shields, medium armored) and Musketeers, I think I sent a picture...
Cavalry still important, but not the mainstay, Abbas used his Ghulams to push back most of his enemies, and aparently were equipped and trained in western fashion. So more superior firepower then ottomans basically.
Im not finding any names besides Ghulam or Tofangchi (musketeer).
You might just want to use terms like Ghulam Tofangchi or Ghulam Pikemen, Ghulam Archers etc.
You might just want to use terms like Ghulam Tofangchi or Ghulam Pikemen, Ghulam Archers etc.
Originally Posted by Inal_the_Great:
Hey I am still searching for more titles posted some posibilities in Circassians section but anyway I actually wanted to ask how many you want?
Try to give me a number (yea I like working with numbers )
1-2, 3-5, 10+, as much as I can?
9 or 10 will be enough - the latest proposals are very good.Hey I am still searching for more titles posted some posibilities in Circassians section but anyway I actually wanted to ask how many you want?
Try to give me a number (yea I like working with numbers
)1-2, 3-5, 10+, as much as I can?
BTW this Prince of Princes - was that the title of the Circassian leader ???
Regards Cegorach
@Beauchamp
It is good enough.
So these Gulams were armed with maces, sabres and bows. They were still armoured, didn't they ?
I am coming back to Poland tomorrow and for some time I won't be able to post much or finish the mod itself, I need around one week to make everything look well...
Regards Cegorach
It is good enough.
So these Gulams were armed with maces, sabres and bows. They were still armoured, didn't they ?
I am coming back to Poland tomorrow and for some time I won't be able to post much or finish the mod itself, I need around one week to make everything look well...
Regards Cegorach
Ghulams, maces sabers and bows
Kizilbash, Lances sabers and bows
Kizilbash, Lances sabers and bows
Originally Posted by cegorach1:
9 or 10 will be enough - the latest proposals are very good.
BTW this Prince of Princes - was that the title of the Circassian leader ???
Regards Cegorach
Ok this will be probably a bit confusing for you since you have studied Polish history during this period. 9 or 10 will be enough - the latest proposals are very good.
BTW this Prince of Princes - was that the title of the Circassian leader ???
Regards Cegorach
Circassia is a united nation (mostly) but still chaotic compared to for example Ottomans or you guys:
There were times when a single prince (no kings in Circassian history except really really old times...) just ruled the entire Circassia and most of Caucasus but this titles story is basicly this:
People riding around:
Dueling:
arguing:
dancing: link at the bottom
The strongest Prince has alot of power but his power is still chalanged by other powerful princes and Circassia because of this somewhat divided. In the end though, in time of Crisis (War) Circassians choose one prince and give him emergency powers; he suddenly becomes alot more powerful than anything you can find in the West (well not really) and he alone rules the country, leads the armies.
After the crisis is over sometimes this prince continues to rule for sometime (if he was really succesful) or immediatly loses all his power and becomes just like any other prince before.
http://www.upload2.com/?cmd=_viewer&...85.wmv&s=f4743
In short:
The prince of princes title is usually gien in time of crisis to give a single prince absolute power.
Sorry lost focus up there...
Dont worry:
I will post (try) around 5 more titles so you pick the bests.
The prince of princes title is usually gien in time of crisis to give a single prince absolute power.
Sorry lost focus up there...
Dont worry:
I will post (try) around 5 more titles so you pick the bests.
Breakthrough!
This info might be a bit late but I finally found a persian military title and more about Safavid military.
Abbas named his new Ghulam troops the Shah Savan or friends of the Shah. Also, aparently that the majority of the original persian army was composed of Kizilbash cavalry. They aparantly all fought as cavalry archers and were highly fanatical as shown during the battle of chaldiran when the Shah charged with his cavalry and killed thousands of turks before being blown away by artillery.
Also, ive been reading the Shahnemeh (so long) and have a book with Safavid prints depicting soldiery. Ill see if i can scan the pictures but one of them features a battle between two characters of the Shahnemeh in safavid fashion, the enemies are dressed like turks and the Iranians dressed in Kizilbash fashion.
Also, about the name of the faction. The term usually used is "Iran" which was the Islamic name given to Persia, but the Safavids were the decendents of the 7th Imam, and a Christian King of Trebizond (don't ask me how... ) . So I don't know which is more proper to call them.
As to how I got my info Cegorach1? Moslty walking around St. Paul public libraries and doing a sh**load of reasearch online.
This info might be a bit late but I finally found a persian military title and more about Safavid military.
Abbas named his new Ghulam troops the Shah Savan or friends of the Shah. Also, aparently that the majority of the original persian army was composed of Kizilbash cavalry. They aparantly all fought as cavalry archers and were highly fanatical as shown during the battle of chaldiran when the Shah charged with his cavalry and killed thousands of turks before being blown away by artillery.
Also, ive been reading the Shahnemeh (so long) and have a book with Safavid prints depicting soldiery. Ill see if i can scan the pictures but one of them features a battle between two characters of the Shahnemeh in safavid fashion, the enemies are dressed like turks and the Iranians dressed in Kizilbash fashion.
Also, about the name of the faction. The term usually used is "Iran" which was the Islamic name given to Persia, but the Safavids were the decendents of the 7th Imam, and a Christian King of Trebizond (don't ask me how...
) . So I don't know which is more proper to call them. As to how I got my info Cegorach1? Moslty walking around St. Paul public libraries and doing a sh**load of reasearch online.
- Inal the Great - according to what you are writing about the Prince of princes is still a good title for the faction leader, I can simply make ordinary princes more difficult to controll - small loyalty should help, this way it will be more possible to have some sort of a civil war, but will recreate the situation pretty well.
- Beauchamp
I thought so with this research - don't ask me how much I have spent for the books I was/am using...
Good information as usual.
I am thinking to add Abbas as an ordinary hero for Persia, but with small loyalty so possible to rebell - this way you will able to grasp the power with him in charge after a failed war, or a jihad ( I reintroduced Jihad for Persia and Egypt), especially if I give them one jihad to start with.
Yan traken already finished the persian Kizilbash cavalry - I even have screens, but no access to a computer I could use to post them - I will try on saturday - Poland here I come !!!
Regards Cegorach
- Beauchamp
I thought so with this research - don't ask me how much I have spent for the books I was/am using...
Good information as usual.
I am thinking to add Abbas as an ordinary hero for Persia, but with small loyalty so possible to rebell - this way you will able to grasp the power with him in charge after a failed war, or a jihad ( I reintroduced Jihad for Persia and Egypt), especially if I give them one jihad to start with.
Yan traken already finished the persian Kizilbash cavalry - I even have screens, but no access to a computer I could use to post them - I will try on saturday - Poland here I come !!!
Regards Cegorach
Sweet!
I just went to the huge library downtown and found more books on persia and with them the military names I so coveted.
Qullar (cavalry)
Qurchis (Turkmen soldiers recruited from the Kizilbash tribes, royal guard)
so "Kizilbash Qullar" would be a Kizilbash Cavalryman,
but Qurchis stand alone, also just a plain "Qullar" would be a purley Ghulam cavalryman.
"Amir" would be either a governor or a commander, but also the suffix "...Bashi" works only for commanders
Mulla Bashi, the chief Mulla (sorta like the head of the Sufi/Shi'a order)
I think that we could add another hero, Shah Ismail the 1st shah was a terrible attacker but a psychotic warrior. As I explained before about chaldiran, he just charged the enemy, flaying as many turks as possible before fleeing. Also super Pios.
I just went to the huge library downtown and found more books on persia and with them the military names I so coveted.
Qullar (cavalry)
Qurchis (Turkmen soldiers recruited from the Kizilbash tribes, royal guard)
so "Kizilbash Qullar" would be a Kizilbash Cavalryman,
but Qurchis stand alone, also just a plain "Qullar" would be a purley Ghulam cavalryman.
"Amir" would be either a governor or a commander, but also the suffix "...Bashi" works only for commanders
Mulla Bashi, the chief Mulla (sorta like the head of the Sufi/Shi'a order)
I think that we could add another hero, Shah Ismail the 1st shah was a terrible attacker but a psychotic warrior. As I explained before about chaldiran, he just charged the enemy, flaying as many turks as possible before fleeing. Also super Pios.
Originally Posted by cegorach1:
- Inal the Great - according to what you are writing about the Prince of princes is still a good title for the faction leader, I can simply make ordinary princes more difficult to controll - small loyalty should help, this way it will be more possible to have some sort of a civil war, but will recreate the situation pretty well.
Ok! Sounds good! - Inal the Great - according to what you are writing about the Prince of princes is still a good title for the faction leader, I can simply make ordinary princes more difficult to controll - small loyalty should help, this way it will be more possible to have some sort of a civil war, but will recreate the situation pretty well.
Just dont make the loyalty too low and it will work perfectly I think.
Becouse Cegorach for few days will not be able to show any screenshots I decided to make one:).Please remember that this is only a project and it must be reconsidered and approved by Cegorach!
Cegorach, Very Impressive pictures and senario's for the MOD!!! My Hat is off to you and the other members of the MOD!
Got a small problem.I modyfied one file without backup and my MTVI (Pike and Musket)is "dead" .Could someone send me this damned file 
...MTW\Battle\Flags\FN_POLISH -it`s TGA file(3,95 kb)
Her`s my e-mail: yankees0@op.pl
Thanks
.Could someone send me this damned file ...MTW\Battle\Flags\FN_POLISH -it`s TGA file(3,95 kb)
Her`s my e-mail: yankees0@op.pl
Thanks
Never mind!!!Thanks to kindness of Chris Kelson 
i have the file and the work starts again
i have the file and the work starts againOK,that`s it! Could Someone please tell me where is that 
campaign map from MTW VI?I looked everywhere-whole game folder and nothing .I need some kind of (bmp.,jpg,TGA-whatever)of this map.Maby I manage to add some cool stuff there.
Could Someone please tell me where is that campaign map from MTW VI?I looked everywhere-whole game folder and nothing .I need some kind of (bmp.,jpg,TGA-whatever)of this map.Maby I manage to add some cool stuff there.I am back in the home and my country !
No offc\ense, but only here you can see so many beautiful girls every day
I will add the screens when I finish few things - I am quite busy for now...
@Beauchamp
And the Turkic cavalry what name would be good for them, and the Afghans ??? Any suggestions ?
@Inal the Great
Of course, very good new titles BTW.
No offc\ense, but only here you can see so many beautiful girls every day
I will add the screens when I finish few things - I am quite busy for now...
@Beauchamp
And the Turkic cavalry what name would be good for them, and the Afghans ??? Any suggestions ?
@Inal the Great
Of course, very good new titles BTW.
Turki Qullar for the turkic
Afghans are tough to find, and werent used mostly for the army, if you just want to simplyfy it it would be something like Afghani Infantry.
Ill keep looking for the farsi word for it.
Afghans are tough to find, and werent used mostly for the army, if you just want to simplyfy it it would be something like Afghani Infantry.
Ill keep looking for the farsi word for it.
Very nice screens! The graphics are very detailed... Those wagons must have been hard to make.
And I am glad to hear 1.5 release is getting close.
Yantraken your campaign-trooper looks good. Is it for Poland only or for western Europe?
And I am glad to hear 1.5 release is getting close.
Yantraken your campaign-trooper looks good. Is it for Poland only or for western Europe?
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