Oopps, sorry to launch a new thread about Shinano... Ok, I remember a long time ago, there has been a discussion about how it is important for Imagawa to take Shinano in the first turns of the game if it wants to expand in the eastern of the Japan. This was for the Singoku Jidai in the original Shogun. However I have played the campaign starting in 1580 (in Mongol Invasion extension). I was playing Tokugawa (who replaces Imagawa at that time) in expert. I won the campaign by grabing Owari from the Oda in the first turn and defending 2 river provinces in the east while I was expending from the west (from Kyushu). I found it impossible to expand in the eastern part of Japan early in the game. Takeda is very powerful and agressive. I had an early alliance with him against Oda (I grad Owari), but the next turn Takeda back-stabbed me and kicked me out of Totomi. In this campaign, unlike in the SJ campaign, everone starts with a full tech tree, and all the factions start with huge armies (that makes the campaign much more interesting that the one starting in 1530, where you can complete the campaign without seing anything more challenging than YC and YS armies). The Tokugawa army in the eastern part is relatively weak compared to the others. So grabing Shinano in the first few turns and keeping it is in my opinion almost impossible for Tokugawa. I would bi nterested to hear other people strategy for that campaign.
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