New unit at the com

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I'm very disappointed. With a name like this you'd expect something a bit more interesting. Still, Aymar's bound to be pleased.

[The_Emperor]

Did you expect them to look like Jack Sparrow or something?

[Dead Moroz]

Nice anchor tattooed on his belly

[Spino]

Ye gods, another shirtless unit? Looks ok I guess. A bit underwhelming as I was expecting something a bit more colorful. Like the tattoos though.

But 'Superior'?? They ranked these guys as Superior??? They're bloody pirates They should have a decent Charge with a fair Attack rating, terrible Defense rating and mediocre Morale. Pirates were never known for their bravery in open battle, that's one of the reasons why they're pirates and not real soldiers or sailors What do you expect from people who prey on unarmed merchant vessels and raid defenseless towns; it's a life of hit and run for a pirate me hearties

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ June 04 2004,08:41)]I'm very disappointed. With a name like this you'd expect something a bit more interesting. Still, Aymar's bound to be pleased.

And what is that supposed to mean?

[shingenmitch2]

Hehe,

I know nothing of the Cilician pirates, so I can't comment at all on the outfit or "harpoon?" -- a javelin by any other name I suppose.

I would, however, agree with Spino about the description. Troops like pirates or most mercenaries in general were of poor morale. They'll slaughter you with out mercy if they get the upper hand, but if things aren't going so well, they'll rarely stick around.

[hundurinn]

What is going on in the CA hq. I'm starting to think there are some people in high places that like topless men more than women. I guess this unit looks alright but I was expecting some men in at least clothes if not armor.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

No offence intended Aymar. Just that i know you like your historical accuracy and this unit was a bit of wasted effort, i don't think many people are going to like it and not to mention it's crap

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ June 04 2004,11:25)]No offence intended Aymar. Just that i know you like your historical accuracy and this unit was a bit of wasted effort, i don't think many people are going to like it and not to mention it's crap

None taken. Well, like shingenmitch2 said, since I don't have any info on Cilician pirates I can't really comment. As for if I like it or not, I guess it is not that bad. Nothing stellar I have to agree though.

[Spino]

Geez, I missed the harpoon detail What the hell is he going to use that for? Elephant hunting? What's wrong with a nice sword or bow?

Apparently there was fellow named Jason who was a Cilician pirate of Jewish ancestry. He had nice a bow that he used to poke holes in uppity merchant sailors and passengers who protested their new fledgling careers as Roman slaves. No word on whether he actually used his harpoon but you can be sure it was circumcized...

Harpoon indeed Now we can recreate tales of Ahabicus and his relentless pursuit of Mobyius Dickus across the Aegean...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ June 04 2004,12:35)]Apparently there was fellow named Jason who was a Cilician pirate of Jewish ancestry. He had nice a bow that he used to poke holes in uppity merchant sailors and passengers who protested their new fledgling careers as Roman slaves. No word on whether he actually used his harpoon but you can be sure it was circumcized...

Harpoon indeed Now we can recreate tales of Ahabicus and his relentless pursuit of Mobyius Dickus across the Aegean...

ROTFL

[Longshanks]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ June 04 2004,08:57)]

Quote[/b] ]But 'Superior'?? They ranked these guys as Superior??? They're bloody pirates They should have a decent Charge with a fair Attack rating, terrible Defense rating and mediocre Morale. Pirates were never known for their bravery in open battle, that's one of the reasons why they're pirates and not real soldiers or sailors What do you expect from people who prey on unarmed merchant vessels and raid defenseless towns; it's a life of hit and run for a pirate me hearties

I didn't think the Superior rating was that bad, since according to the description they are skirmishers. I don't think they'll be able to hold their own alone against heavy infantry & the like.

[biguth dickuth]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ June 04 2004,20:35)]Geez, I missed the harpoon detail What the hell is he going to use that for? Elephant hunting? What's wrong with a nice sword or bow?

Apparently there was fellow named Jason who was a Cilician pirate of Jewish ancestry. He had nice a bow that he used to poke holes in uppity merchant sailors and passengers who protested their new fledgling careers as Roman slaves. No word on whether he actually used his harpoon but you can be sure it was circumcized...

Harpoon indeed Now we can recreate tales of Ahabicus and his relentless pursuit of Mobyius Dickus across the Aegean...

I hope he won't extend his pursuit on the renowned roman general and friend of Pontius Pilatus, Biggus Dickus, right??

[Ellesthyan]

What the...



HARPOONS????

A bunch of over there at CA...

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you need to be Morgrym the Mighty to throw a Harpoon that heavy any distance at all? It looks like it was made for whaling, as somebody mentioned.

[Longshanks]

I found this image (Greek?) of pirates. It's not far off from the unit depicted, as they are also shirtless & in kilts. Could the Cilician pirates have had a similar appearance? Does anyone know?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

IIRC, the Lusitanians of Iberia used, among several type of blades for their javelins and spears, a short spear with a hooked blade very similar to an harpoon. So, it might not be that far-fetched...

[Ragss]

Cool, they sound kinda like the Almughavers (err...Argonese mercenary javs). Wouldnt be suprised if these "harpoons" have less range like that one irish unit with throwing spears...

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ June 04 2004,20:35)]Apparently there was fellow named Jason who was a Cilician pirate of Jewish ancestry. He had nice a bow that he used to poke holes in uppity merchant sailors and passengers who protested their new fledgling careers as Roman slaves. No word on whether he actually used his harpoon but you can be sure it was circumcized...

It seems CA has not read accounts on Caesar's captivity. Those pirates he described as worthless drunks. Superior? To whom ffs? And they were no fishermen you know; why harpoons?

[Devastatin Dave]

The more new units CA introduces, the less I want to pay the full price for this game. I might wait for the price to go down. I would hate to upgrade my PC for a game full of hoolywood shit.
Maybe they'll have Brad Pit CGI'd as a Greek general.

[Oleander Ardens]

The only depiction of their gear I found is rather outdated:

Herodotuswrinting in the 5th century BC:
"The wore greaves and corslets; they carried bows of cornel wood, cane arrows without feathers, and javelins. They had goatskin slung round their shoulders, and hats stuck round with feathers. They also carried daggers and rip-hooks."

I'm looking for more

OA

[Herodotus]

In 'Caesar' Cauleen McCollough describes the Cilician Pirates as not only drunks but as a bunch of dandys. They parade around in expensive clothing (purple would have been a very appropriate colour) and live a life of luxury in their hidden inlets. They prey on the weak and are poor in combat as they hardly ever get any real experience. In short they are just bullies who are only confident when they outnumber their enemy many times over.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Oleander Ardens @ June 06 2004,04:41)]The only depiction of their gear I found is rather outdated:

Herodotuswrinting in the 5th century BC:
"The wore greaves and corslets; they carried bows of cornel wood, cane arrows without feathers, and javelins. They had goatskin slung round their shoulders, and hats stuck round with feathers. They also carried daggers and rip-hooks."

I'm looking for more

OA

So, Historically, another sh*** unit...

[Oleander Ardens]

No I personally think that from what I know this unit is fairly accurate. It is one unit of the different Cilician units which come to my mind - only the name of the javelin and the "superior" bother me...

OA

[Colovion]

Quote[/b] (Devastatin Dave @ June 05 2004,22:14)]The more new units CA introduces, the less I want to pay the full price for this game. I might wait for the price to go down. I would hate to upgrade my PC for a game full of hoolywood shit.
Maybe they'll have Brad Pit CGI'd as a Greek general.

Yeah - I was really into buying R:TW - buying a whole new computer..... but now I'm not so sure and will probably wait a week or two after it's released to see if it's worth it.

[Ragss]

If you guys want historical accuracy, read a book. The game is for having fun, and gameplay FAR out values historical accuracy.

[Trax]

History books aren´t interactive like games, if they were I would never touch any computer game ever.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Ragss @ June 06 2004,17:23)]If you guys want historical accuracy, read a book. The game is for having fun, and gameplay FAR out values historical accuracy.

Why do you keep having that ridiculous notion that making a game ahistorical makes it more fun? Gameplay issues have far more to due with balance of stats than units. That's easy to do. Not in the case of the 3d units.

Historical accuracy is not in ANY way antagonic with Gameplay.

In fact, by TW's previous examples, historical accuracy was the reason for their sucess. No game had the flair and daring in the way historical accuracy was portraid, like STW and MTW.

[Devastatin Dave]

I would prefer a more historically accurate game. I know that there is going to be some "creative liscense", but some of the units in here are just too unbelievable. Like I said, I'll wait for most of you suckers to buy it, and see the reviews from you guys

[Ragss]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ June 06 2004,19:44)]

Quote[/b] (Ragss @ June 06 2004,17:23)]If you guys want historical accuracy, read a book. The game is for having fun, and gameplay FAR out values historical accuracy.

Why do you keep having that ridiculous notion that making a game ahistorical makes it more fun? Gameplay issues have far more to due with balance of stats than units. That's easy to do. Not in the case of the 3d units.

Historical accuracy is not in ANY way antagonic with Gameplay.

In fact, by TW's previous examples, historical accuracy was the reason for their sucess. No game had the flair and daring in the way historical accuracy was portraid, like STW and MTW.

But it is antagonic with gameplay to the biggest market, the ones who know shit all about this era. It is antagonic to gameplay when the Greeks and Egyptians have nearly the same army. It is antagonic to gameplay when a faction of barbarians only has 5 units becuase historiclly thats how it was.

And you say that balancing the units stats is no problem, then why are you guys complaining that these pirates are superior?


CA would much rather have 50 twelve yearolds say "WHOH THEY THROW HARPOONS" than one history buff say "Hmmmm, yes, indeed, these units look right proper with their boring looks, numerous similarites to a dozen other units, and general lack of creativity"


And if MTW was so historically accurate, than why is Medmod so incredibly different? The only unit that keeps the same name for the Byz is the katanks (dunno about ver guards), and intead of being unstopable tanks, they are medicore fighters with bows. That is, im assuming, if medmod is the more historical of the two.