Europa Barbarorum

[Stefan the Berserker]

Ok my dear Fellows. For simplification this topic is opened to house discussions on the "Europa Barbarorum"-Project, to join us or write Essays.

Perhaps we should now List our Group ->

TeutonicKnight
Stefan the Berserker
... (to be Continued)

[Teutonic Knight]

our members also consist of:
Monk
Cebei
Aymar Bois de Mauri (sp?)
Parmenio
frogbeastegg
Big King Sanctafrax
_Martyr_
The Emporer



*off to recruit some more*

[Stefan the Berserker]

We also got:

Psycho

[Ludens]

What exactly is it that you are campaigning for?

BTW Teutonic Knight, it is "Aymar de Bois Mauri".

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Aymar Bois de Mauri

You BAD boy, Teutonic Knight


JOKE

Quote[/b] ]BTW Teutonic Knight, it is "Aymar de Bois Mauri".

Thanks, Ludens

Quote[/b] ]What exactly is it that you are campaigning for?

To try to make CA improve their rather "approximative" (incorrect, really) depiction of Celts, Britons, Germanics and Dacians in RTW.

[CBR]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 12 2004,20:57)]To try to make CA improve their rather "approximative" (incorrect, really) depiction of Celts, Britons, Germanics and Dacians in RTW.

And whats wrong with half-naked lunatics running around with impressive two handed weapons??


CBR

[Basileus]

Its a good cause, im all for it :)

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ]What exactly is it that you are campaigning for?

[joke] Re-election of Bush [/joke]

[Pindar]

Quote[/b] ]To try to make CA improve their rather "approximative" (incorrect, really) depiction of Celts, Britons, Germanics and Dacians in RTW.

What is the incorrect depiction?

Are you going to extend your campaign to include the 'incorrect' depiction of Ptolemaic Egypt?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Its a good cause, im all for it :)

Then join in...

Quote[/b] ][joke] Re-election of Bush [/joke]

NO WAY ... ...

Quote[/b] ]Are you going to extend your campaign to include the 'incorrect' depiction of Ptolemaic Egypt?

One thing at a time

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Jan. 12 2004,17:16)]

Quote[/b] ]What exactly is it that you are campaigning for?

[joke] Re-election of Bush [/joke]

actually.....

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

How did this get to Politics?

Please back to original topic

[Revenant69]

Sign me up.
does this mean that i have to have that sig? If so i can just cut and paste right?

[Pindar]

No one seems to have answered my question about depicting the barbarians. I guess I shouldn't have expected anything less from the uncivilized quarters.

[Cazbol]

Is there some thread that explains the problem in a little more detail than this one? I'm having a hard time firing up my enthusiasm for this campaign.

[Rosacrux]

How about depicting Ptolemaic Egypt as it was really? I think that faction is much more important in the relevant timeframe than any of them half-crazed, naked, berserker barbarians

Actually I am kidding, but why do not extend this "movement" to a broader scope and convince CA to actually give us a generally more accurate game (history-wise)?

[rasoforos]

AND proper language for the Hellenes. No english with accent crap...

[frogbeastegg]

Quote[/b] (Revenant69 @ Jan. 13 2004,02:19)]Sign me up.
does this mean that i have to have that sig? If so i can just cut and paste right?

If you don't want a picture you can just add a line of text, or come up with your own alternative.

I'm waving a banner for accuracy for all factions, not just barbarians. "No more ancient mummies bought to life for Egypt's army please. Just say NO to occult practices" Inaccurate Romans bother me just as much as inaccurate barbarians and I would rather not play RTW Spartacus style.

[Michiel de Ruyter]

I want to join in... I do not know how much time I will have available for research. As I have study, job and football season starting up again...

Plus some other hobbies as well...

I can not get the banner posted though... can anyone help me out please ?

[Cebei]

Are we going to send a proposal to CA when this ends?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]No one seems to have answered my question about depicting the barbarians.

Quote[/b] ]Is there some thread that explains the problem in a little more detail than this one? I'm having a hard time firing up my enthusiasm for this campaign.

Hey, Pindar and Cazbol

How about reading:

THE CELTS



To Revenant69 and Michiel de Ruyter:

It's just like posting pictures:

In your SIG, just write http://projektstarwars.de/forum/atta...&postid=501917 between the image command.

Quote[/b] ]How about depicting Ptolemaic Egypt as it was really? I think that faction is much more important in the relevant timeframe than any of them half-crazed, naked, berserker barbarians

Actually I am kidding, but why do not extend this "movement" to a broader scope and convince CA to actually give us a generally more accurate game (history-wise)?

I totally agree with you, Rosacrux

Maybe we can enlarge it to fill all of RomeTW's factions.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Are we going to send a proposal to CA when this ends?

I hope so. And as soon as possible.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] ]How about depicting Ptolemaic Egypt as it was really? I think that faction is much more important in the relevant timeframe than any of them half-crazed, naked, berserker barbarians

Actually I am kidding, but why do not extend this "movement" to a broader scope and convince CA to actually give us a generally more accurate game (history-wise)?

I am all for historical accuracy for RTW, no matter what faction it is

The more accuracy the better in my view.

In today's world, Movies and Computer Games makers are the new historians... People seldom read history books quite as much anymore, and if a historically accurate game can make someone learn something as well as have fun then all the better

[Cebei]

Thanks Aymar, secondly are there any links to a site where ALL of the RTW factions-buildings-units etc. are listed? So that we can understand what is wrong.. I really dont know much about the RTW other than super trailers.

[Teutonic Knight]

Nowake just pmed me and said he wanted to join the revolution

Alright we need to get organized here.

(a) what is the first project that we need to get working on

(b) how do you guys propose to go about doing such project

© which members will be doing what

these are just some questions that need answering before we go any further.

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

I'm sure this has some relevance to history, but you are going to have to prove it. So far there is little to give it any historical background (ok so you are talking about making RTW more historically accurate but there is little mention of history in that.)

It would be more fitting in the Colosseum or maybe even the Tavern...

[Stefan the Berserker]

"The Romans defined all people whom didn't belong to the Romano-Hellenistic Race, as Barbarians." - Mussolini

We'll Face any Mistakes, but as those Mistakes with the northern Barbarians are worst we have begun there. For Egyptans and Punics we were glad for any Information and will tie it to our Request at CA.

This is an Historic Topic, one Unit discription of those I found out comes here:

Germanic Lancemen

--- Formed by the Frydmen of Germania, who have learned to life with the icy Winters and short Summers of their Lands, these Lancemen are known for their Sacrifice on their Masters. Julius Caesar discribes them as disciplined, hard-nosed Warriors fighting in a dense formation he called a "Phalanx". Their mantall Shields, packed one at the other, indeed supplied an almost perfect Protection while their Lances belonged to the deadlyest in the Ancient World. ---

The Germanic Lancers are similar to Hellenistic Hopilites and later English Fyrds (while the Fyrds are their decendants).

“After they had overthrown the Roman cavalry with a densely packed formation, they formed their shield wall (phalanx) and attacked our first battle line from below” (Caes. BG I, 24,2: »REIECTO NOSTRO EQUITATU, PHALANGE FACTA SUB PRIMAM NOSTRAM ACIEM SUCCESSERUNT.«).
Shortly afterwards “they quickly formed their shield wall as they are used to, and repelled our sword attack” (Caes. BG I, 52,4: »AT GERMANI CELERITER EX CONSUETUDINE SUA PHALANGE FACTA IMPETUS GLADIORUM
EXCEPERUNT.«).

Caesar here discribes a Battle he had with them under Ariovistus. As you can see Jules Caesar definatly said Phalange / Phalanx and he intends that this "Phalanx" was trained, throughout he says the Shield wall was formed "quickly".

the dreadful Germanic lances that “inflict wounds from a formidable distance” (Tac. ann. I, 64: »HASTAE INGENTES AD VULNERA FACIENDA QUAMVIS PROCUL«) Germanic graves have revealed specimens of a length of 41-45 cm with lateral cut-outs If this type of thrusting lance is mentioned they are called “enormous” or “over-long lances” (Tac. ann II, 14: »ENORMIS HASTAS«; ann. II, 21: »PRAELONGAS HASTAS«). These expressions may refer to the length of the shaft and respectively to the length and width of the point. In the battle at the Angrivarian Wall (16 AD) the Imperial Guard was not able to storm the Wall because they received severe thrusts from above, and Germanicus Caesar had to withdraw them (cf. Tac. ann. II, 20: »QUIS INPUGNANDUS AGGER, UT SI MURUM
SUCCEDERENT, GRAVIBUS SUPERNE ICTIBUS CONFLICTABANTUR. SENSIT DUX INPAREM COMMINUS PUGNAM…«). The weapons that inflicted those blows from above may well have been such “enormous” and “over-long” lances.

The Germanic Lance Tacitus mentioned is a deadly Weapon with long (about 41-45 Cm) Spearheads, making the Warriors able to break almost any Armor from the Distance.

Germanic Lancemen should then have following special Abilities:

- Bonus against armored Enemys
- Disciplined
- Large Shield
- Bonus against Cavallary
- Good Morale
- Good Charge

[Stefan the Berserker]

Remember: This is the germanics Standard-Unit, together with Skirmishers

[Cebei]

Whoaa.. just easy.. we arent organized yet, I agree Teutonic. We have to divide the work, otherwise people will study what they like and we will end up repeating posts and perhaps some part of barbarian history will remain untouched. Then when we give our proposal to CA, they will look us like playground children.


1-Post a link of the current unit/building/info page, so that people will understand what is missing.

2-Limit the people who are in this FOR REAL. Or weeks later we will still be trying to fit a newcomer into a group "which has room for a guy".

3-Among the enlisted people, divide all into groups like "Celtic Buildings", "Dacian units", "Germanic tactics".. The members of the group should ONLY research that field.

4-WHen each field is completed, the reports will be presented (together with historical proofs, or else we will end up with "Cebeian flying purple tiger lancers") and ALL groups will read ALL reports.

5-After final adjustments some volunteers will complie the findings and sent the proposal to CA.

Long live the Barbaroum

[Teutonic Knight]

I agree Cebei, that sounds like a good plan of action. Now we need to figure out exactly what categories of research we need to get involved with

I also agree with Sir Ithaskar, we might want to put this in the Colosseum so the other Rome fans will see it. On the other hand the Monastary isn't posted in very often, so this thread would pretty much be guaranteed top of the page status, or close to it. In the end it's really up to Ithaskar, if we're being a hinderance he'll move us