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"It is not the well-being of individuals that makes cities great, but the well-being of the community"- Niccolò Machiavelli.
I find that the Lancers suit my style of play.
ichi
Stay Calm, Be Alert, Think Clearly, Act Decisively
CoH
Lancers are the best all round cavalry IMO. Of course Gothics eat them because of armour piercing.
Lancer for sure, especially when Gothics are not here.
It's a little bit unfair for others when they have to compete with Lancer.
Gendarmes is another heavy cav that I recently start to enjoy its usefulness against other heavy cav.
Voted quite subjectively for Byz.Kats although they are slow but they aremy personal favourite. Lancers might be a better unit but I just love thoose Kat-tanks
Lancers for me, could be a landslide
I vote for Armenian heavy Cav as they're easier avialable early in Campaign Mode game.
Say: O unbelievers, I serve not what you serve, nor do you serve what I serve, nor shall I serve what you are serving, nor shall you be serving what I serve.
To you your religion, and to me my religion.
Lancers are simply the best hvy cav in game
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AMIR
lancers are the best there, but Jedi's come in Katank packages
Yeah, lancers might be great, but when do you get them? The Kats I've been able to get on a regular basis.
i prefer kataphractoi as they mow down the enemy on charge and can withstand a punchup pretty well
a balrog of morgoth..........a demon of the ancient world...this foe is beyond any of you..rrunn!!
definitely lancers. heck, they make Terminator look like Little Red Riding Hood...and just like terminator, you can't really keep 'em down, cause 'they'll be back' ;)
Therapy helps, but screaming obscenities is cheaper.
Avar Nobles
Really good in Early (the only time they are available). Almost as good as Katanks but easier to get (if you own Moldavia
AND I can't vote for Lancers. You have to bend over backwards to get them.And they're too popular. Go Avar Nobles
Pronoiai Allagion
Probably not the best, but surely my favourite unit.
if there is any, which i am sure there is, post here with the ones i missed.
thanks, dessa
{LORE}
"It is not the well-being of individuals that makes cities great, but the well-being of the community"- Niccolò Machiavelli.
Lancers or Kataphracts
Lancers rule the HC class They are the next best thing to knights and are easier to control.
Eigi Eru Enn Allir Jomsvikingar daudhir
(Not Yet Are All the Jomsvikings Dead)
Avar nobles - easy to build, disciplined, available in early, Hugary's answer to the Kats.
mfberg
It is not complete until the overwieght female vocalizes.
Pinky : Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight?
Brain : The same thing we do every night Pinky. Try to take over the world!
I'm in on the Avar Nobles. Available to more factions, low build requirements, dismountable...Originally Posted by [b
i missed KHC
which are not as good as Avars except they have much better morale.
thanks, dessa
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"It is not the well-being of individuals that makes cities great, but the well-being of the community"- Niccolò Machiavelli.
hmm,oh so many, havent used them all, just fought against them, Pronoiai Allagion and Kataphracts are cool...boyars are fun...and lancers work if one ever gets around to getting them...and i spose i like the ghulams too
pillage, plunder, burn...
If we exclude Lancers, I go for AHC. They're much more reliable than you'd imagine.
My vote goes to the Kataphraktoi, I love the byzantines and ther units. It's cool to make +2 valor kats in constantinopel with lots of armour upgrades
I despise lancers - a dumb, ahistorical unit. Why do they have Gothic armour in the High, rather than late, period? Why do they have Gothic armour and horse armour but unlike equivalently armoured Gothic knights are they not slow? Why are they Spanish, when Spain had more lightly armoured knights than most other Catholic states? Why do they have knights' stats but are not knights? Why don't other Catholic factions get knights with full plate and lances?
OK, they are clearly the best HC. But like arbalesters in High, Biz infantry, Saracen foot and AUM they are one of the "too good and not true" units that irritate me.
Well the king of Majorca and his Lancers fought at Creçy.
LANCERS ALL THE WAY
GAH
Acutally Simon Appleton,
The Spainish Lancers are true, just not the way the game has them.
Byzantine Infantry, True there is no nation/empire/people called byzantines in history, but these also existed. They where called legionaires or Hoplites.
Actually from the Roman Empire at Constantinople. And they where considered the best heavy infantry in the (European/Middle Eastern) known world.
Remember these guys are the only professionals in the world also, trained armed and lead by trained leaders.
AUM also existed, and are noted for there prowess, from what i have read. But i don't know much about there history.
Arbalesters also existed, and Saracen spearman existed espeically as merc's.
The Holy German/Roman Emperor also had his own body guard of these.
Richard I also used Saracen troops.
So you see they not only existed, they also in some cases very good.
I go for the Kata's
Mainly because mien have been modded to include the shield and a true lance as historical.
Not to mention a Charge of 10 (highest Knights have is 9 for Order Knights) which represents that they had to tie the lance to the horse to stop the rider coming off.
But then I play Byzantines early with only 2 provinces 2000 Florins, 2 kata's 1 Varagian Guard, 1 Immortals, 1 Byzantine Infantry and 1 Tres Archer. Oh and 1 Dromon ship.
To me this represents the lack of control at the time when Augustus Ceasar Alexis I came to the throne, and had to re-assert imperial power.
And atleast sort of provides me with a challenge.
fenir
Time is but a basis for measuring Susscess. Fenir Nov 2002.
Mr R.T.Smith > So you going to Charge in the Brisbane Office with your knights?.....then what?
fenir > hmmmm .....Kill them, kill them all.......let sega sort them out.
Well thats it, 6 years at university, 2 degrees and 1 post grad diploma later OMG! I am so Anal!
I should have been a proctologist! Not an Accountant......hmmmmm maybe some cross over there?
I don't think this is a fair poll. I voted lancers before I noticed that all three medieval periods are mixed. Comparing Gothics and Lancers to Avars and HAC's is like asking who's better, an M1A2 tank or a WWII Sherman tank.
All three periods have great horse power and Avars are the best of their age, even better than Kaths because they're cheaper to train and don't have to wait that long for them to be available. Yet they still pack a powerful punch.
But if Avars face later HC chances are they'll be kaput before long....but they're still the best HC of their period.
Fenir - to be more explicit:
Spanish lancers - yes, I am sure Spain did have some "lancers" of some sort but I know of no historical basis for them to get full plate with full horse armour in the high period. I suspect they should be mainly half-plate with barded or unarmoured horses in the late period. I believe Spanish knights were generally less well-armoured than those in othe Catholic states.
For the Byzantine infantry to have swords, not long spears, also is ahistorical in this time period. It seems to hark back to a legionnaire type unit, when in reality Byzantinium moved more towards equipping their heavy infantry with long spears to hold off cavarly. (Kataphracts also probably should not be in the game in their current form - I do not believe they were a significant force on the battlefielf after Manzikert (sp?)).
On the AUM, I have found no source that suggests Almohads had infantry with half-plate in the early period. Yes, they had decent infantry but why the armour value is so high (higher than the Catholic MAA) is a mystery to me.
On the arbalesters - I believe metal crossbows should not be in the high period, but the late period for both gameplay and historical reasons.
On the Saracen infantry - as far as I know, Saracen armies (such as fought Richard I) depended mainly on cavalry. They had some infantry, but I suspect most was not mailed. It just seems curious that in the game, Egyptian players will naturally incline towards massed ranks of mailed spearmen whereas the Catholics are unarmoured in the early period - if anything, the weight of armour should be the other way.
If I am wrong on any of these points, I'd be interested in any cites or references. But I researched this stuff a fair bit when the game came out and no one here has ever provided evidence to alter my findings.
Simon, I think much of this was for gameplay balance. catholics get stronger over time and the others decline with the exception of Eggy and Turks.
giving noncatholics heavy units early is probably just to give them a chance at domination before the massed tanks roll over them
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