Vicky, vicky, vicky....

[Rosacrux]

Having experienced the stunning (and extremely time-consuming) Crusader Kings (CK) addiction, I've tried another Paradox gem.

And I couldn't pick any other but the single most hard and complicated Paradox game, a game with about 10X more detail than CK, which is alrady 10X more complicated than MTW

I must say, this game ain't for the faint at heart. It takes time and lots of reading to get accustomed to, so it's quite not stuff for the casual gamer. I bought it, installed it and began to play. A quarter of an hour later, I resigned the game, grabbed the manual and read it. Then I d/lded several guides, tables, manual addendums, charts and other stuff from Paradox forums and a couple fan sites. Read them all for a couple of days... after understanding what's going on, I came back to Vicky. And I got hoocked on.

If you are looking for a tough, intelligent, mind-bogging, time-consuming, impressive game, then you got to try it out. The most perfect and realistic economic-political-social model in a game ever.

And it's tough too. And overwhelming.

But I love it already (having played only a few hours).

[Sternness]

I wonder if the opposite would happen to me. Right now I only have Vicky, and I'm thinking of picking up CK (or EU2 if I ever see it in a bargin bin).

I'm quite comfortable with Vicky as it stands, so I fear I'll be let down by CK and/or EU2. Anyone else start with Vicky and then move on to another Paradox game?

[Leet Eriksson]

CK is pretty awesome,its not like Victoria,but it still has its qualities.I just hope they release the next patch,i hear they will add some stuff for byzantium

[Efrem Da King]

This game Is good fun. I like playing austria in 1914 for a less complicated game.

I really want to get into it.....

[Alrowan]

i cant wait till they release HoI 2

its aparently meant to be more simple than HoI in some aspects, and yet more in depth in others. Ive had HoI for ages, got hooked at one point, then it lost me, and ive just started playing it again. HoI 2, if it holds the diplomatic and political engine of victoria, it will be one more step in depth

BTW i still love victoria, its an awesome game

for a real challenge, try the CSA in the civil war, on a harder setting... i tell u what, if u manage to hold off the union forces in the first war, the seccond time you war them (it WILL happen) ytou wont stand a chance.


on another note, ive never called it the American Civil War, to me its more like the CSA war of independence.. one that they lost.

[rasoforos]

This game sounds cool but i m not taking the chance to buy it full due to its complxity. I ll buy it sometime in the future.
You guys say that the economic model is quite complex? Where can i find anymore info on WHAT economic model does the game actually use? Is it realistic in recreated the failed trade models several countries were using back then or does it rely on modern models?
By the way if you guys need an economist specialising in International Trade then my rates are very reasonable...

[Shahed]

Hello Everyone

Been a while so first, HI

Let me just say this TW and Vicky are very different but let me also say this if I had to choose I'd probably choose Vicky, anytime, anyday. It's the best grand strategy game I ever played. FULL STOP. Maybe it's not the most fun becuase it's so deep you can actually live your life playing that game, or at least a few years of it if you play 10 hours a day. And yea it's work to figure some stuff out in that game. I still love TW though I love complexity, and hence I love VERY complex ideas, thoughts, and naturally also games.

Everything is down to minute detail. No real time battles but nevertheless I'm working on building my 4,300,000 Army of the USA to challenge the supremacy of Her Majesty's Army. I'm building a fleet of 350 ships to blockade the B ritish Isles and directly challenge and annihilate Her Majesty's 327 ship fleet (of which about 50 are Battleships including Dreadnoughts). Why all this ...well if I start goping into that I'll be here for about 2 hours writing about the sequence of events which lead me to believe that America's time to spring into the top spot has come early, very early by about a century.

There are events in the game which are so incredible pages of stuff to read, stuff and people some of us may never have heard about without this game.

You can play as ANY nation. You are NOT restricted by game balance (and all the nonsense). You can play China, Punjab, Kashmir, Nassau, Haiti, Britain, Denmark....ANY country YOU want, you can play it Of course playign as the Punjab and fighting 2,700,000 British troops is a challenge that most stay away from but it IS possible and it's DAMM hard. The AI is excellent and can be VERY cunning.

The economic model is VERY deep but Ras it's not 100% down to university economics. There is a defintely some simplification but markets in the game work very well and it's possible to deduce that the developers actually read about economics and they DID VERY detailed study into that time period. It's not 100% at all though it's simplified, so if you look at it through an economist's lens and judge it as an economic simulation I don't think it would score more than let's say 50% but honestly 50% is already very adequate. If you look at TW it 10%.

The map level is DEEP. Continents, regions, states and finally provinces. The politics I still have not understood and I played manyi hours already. It's an excellent political simulation, you can't choose your goverment (well sometimes you can), your people choose the government.

I'm thinking I should just wipe put the darn Mexicans and annex them, make them part of the USA......BUT unlike in TW you can't just do that. The diplomacy is far more complex that that. Just attack a country and then another on a TW conquest and soon you will find the world at war with you..... and unlike TW, they WILL show you what that thin red line is all about

Basically if you choose a global domination path BE READY for BLOODSHED. I'm taking millions of men removed from your factories, farms and thrown into the fire of war. If you fail many of them will perish and with them will perish your nation...maybe not instantly but go into a war, lose 5 million and it has a MASSIVE impact on your nations economy. Unlike TW you have a limited manpower pool (i.e limited population) and you can actually deplete this pool to a level from which your nation will not recover.

I love the TW series and I can tell you I love Vicky. It's also in a class of it's own. It is unparrelled, just like TW. It's for the hard core gamer though who plays many hours per week, no instant gratification in Vicky ...except maybe the WW1 scenario.

I highly recommend this game.

[Shahed]

Let me just bump this over all the over 555,5555,555,555 vicky threads here....and that's all from me folks. Wish you the best till we meet again.

Adios

[Kraellin]

is there a demo version and what's the link to their home page?

K.

[el_slapper]

Commentaire[/b] (Kraellin @ Juill. 05 2004,19:15)]is there a demo version and what's the link to their home page?

K.

Paradox never makes demos. The way their games are designed, it would be faaar too easy to pirate... Anyways, EU2 should be really cheap now(15€ 1 year ago) & is ultimate kickass with the recent 1.08 patch. My idea of a demo, with 800 hours of gameplay or so...

[Shahed]

Hi K.

Victoria Official Homepage

ParadoxPlaza the makers of Crusader Kings, Europa Universalis 2 and Victoria

[frogbeastegg]

You can add me to the crowd of Vicky player lurking hereabouts; now I have CK, EU2 and Vicky. I'd been trying to decide whether to take the plunge or not for a while; while I like the sounds of the game I don't like the setting and all those numbers sound like hell for a dyslexic frog. One thread on the Vicky main forums later and I'm convinced to give it a go, it'll be an uphill struggle but there are loads of people eager to help if I need to ask. The fact is was going cheap in town helped too

I've not actually played it yet, but I foresee great amounts of this smiley in the near future...

Krae, CK and EU2 put TW to shame in terms to strategy, detail, and depth, the only thing they don’t utterly thrash TW on is the battles. It is partly thanks to these games that I now hate MTW so much I have uninstalled it and intend never to play it again.

[Kraellin]

thanks sinan :)

froglips, do we now call you queen froggy, or just froggy the first? ;)

K.

[LordKarolinger]

Vicky is a good game if you can manage everything. I got the game recently and I was doing pretty well as the U.S on a GC. Speedy Industrialization process, decent prestige, decent military yet I could hardly do anything because I can't figure out how to get my pops all their needs and my aristocrats keep revolting.

[PaolinoPaperino]

never tryed Vicky, but u can enlist me in the EU2 lovers list.

My dream?
Paradox and CA, one developing the campaign, the second the battle side....
I would loose all my social life.

[bmolsson]

My dream?
Paradox and CA, one developing the campaign, the second the battle side....
I would loose all my social life.

#

Ditto..... :p

[frogbeastegg]

Beta patch 1.3c is out; it looks like it fixes quite a few issues.

Bah, CK beta patch, vicky beta patch, RTW and I am still trying to finish learning EU2. I can only play one of them; I need more time

[dessa14]

best thing is it fixes the problem with tariffs.
no more free money.
thanks,
dessa

[LordKarolinger]

Anyone played HOI and Vicky and have comments on HOI. I've been thinking about getting it.

[Efrem Da King]

ahh

DON'T


Its really very very very flawed.

[Alrowan]

HoI is actually fun, though it needs some work still, im looking forward to HoI 2 it sounds much better. Id suggest u wait till HoI 2 is released

[Alrowan]

on another note, today i started a campagin as the swedes, ive purchased some of finalnd off russia, and the virgin isles off denmark. My next aim is to get some pacific islands with that tropical wood... can u say IKEA :D

[el_slapper]

Commentaire[/b] (PaolinoPaperino @ Juill. 06 2004,23:47)]never tryed Vicky, but u can enlist me in the EU2 lovers list.

My dream?
Paradox and CA, one developing the campaign, the second the battle side....
I would loose all my social life.

Don't dream about it. Johan Anderson, Paradox's main programmer, does hate totalwar series

Would have been soooooo cool, still...

[Sternness]

Quote[/b] ]My next aim is to get some pacific islands with that tropical wood... can u say IKEA :D

Oh my god that's golden.

[frogbeastegg]

Quote[/b] (Kraellin @ July 06 2004,19:53)]froglips, do we now call you queen froggy, or just froggy the first? ;)

I'm a modest froggy You may call me empress froggy, but I do like the sounds of 'supreme ruler of the universe'.

For any other overwhelmed newbie like me I have found this replacement manual/strategy guide to be invaluable. Vicky is a very promising game so far; my current overriding goal is to find that music track that goes pom-pom pom POM pom-diddly-pom and remove it. Falalalan for the vicky age

[Sternness]

It shouldn't be too bad to edit the music files in this game. I'm sure that I've read about people at the official board doing so. All the music files are just mp3s located in the Victoria\Music folder, free to be copied or replaced as the empress' sees fit.

[Alrowan]

if u dont like the music, turn it off and stick ur own music playing in the background


anyway, i like that drumming one :p



on another note, sweden has conquered the vietnamese, now owns its pacific isles in polynesia, has had several mixed campagins vs russia. the year is now 1902, only 18 years left. Ive decided to go all out, first on my list is siam, i hope i can make swedish indochina. After i deal with them, i will hopefully use my new grand alliance (sweden, prussia, UK, and France) to crush the russian empire once and for all. They are currently the biggest industrial power in the world, with a whopping 2500++ industrial rating. Im hoping i can grab some of that for myself, seeing as i have a measly 350.

My aims for the campagin is to make it to be a great power. Im 9th at the moment, only one more to go

[PaolinoPaperino]

Thx Slapper, didn't know it.
Johan Anderson could change his mind one day...I hope
But I hope as well that Paradox solves it's distribution problems.
I live in Dublin, and I am a bit tired to see astounished faces when I ask for Victoria, in computer-games shops.

[frogbeastegg]

I'm half way to assembling a custom playlist; I have removed the tracks I don't like and am replacing them with ones I do. I did the same thing with CK and EU2, much easier to let the game handle the edited playlist than having to fiddle around setting up a decent playlist in media player every time I want to play.

I shall start my next game soonish, this one with the aim of doing more than looking at the interface and seeing how the game runs. I can't decide between Belgium and Brazil, they are both recommended as good newbie countries; I suppose I shall flip a coin.

[Alrowan]

well its 1915

in 1904 Sweden opened up war again on russia, calling on her allies france and prussia we moved against the giant joining with austria who was also at war. This campgain was much better for sweden, her smaller armies were able to take advantage of the fact the russians had left thier border defences. So sweden was able to sweep into the north, taking the rest of the finish peninsuala, and managing to occupy st-petersburg. At this point the russians began to mobiles north, and send a counter attack. Prussia was eating up the south with austria, so Sweden fought for a few more months. We managed to push south far enough to get a most favourable peace deal. All the Finish peninsual bar one unimportant provience was occupied (due to a significant insurgent).

anyway, the swedes invited a russian delegate to the captured capital of st-petersburg, and there they hammered out the peace of 1905. The swedes would keep nearly all the land they held at the time of the treaty, the russians were given the ancient capital back to them, tohugh it was now an island amoungst the swedish lands. Prussia wasnt invited to the negotiations, though sweded spoke on thier behalf, seeing as they enetered as swedens allies, they were denied the right to keep the lands they conquered, though sweden would remember thier help. France too didnt take part.

All that was left were the negotiations with greece, russias only ally. so the swedish delegates took a train from st-petersburg to athens and there met with the greek and french delegates. France had invaded the city, and controlled half of greece. But before sweden arrived, they made thier own seperate peace, gaining half of greece. When the sedish delegation arrived, they managed to negotiate a white peace between the remaining parties.

Austria soon too negotiated peace.

An so ended the war of 1904-1905.

In the years following the war, sweden brought rail to her newly aquired lands, also large investments into factories in the newly aquired lands arround st-petersburg. The Liberals won their first election over the Konservative party in the same year. Sweden also set about raising new armies. Thousands of russian and uralic people were conscripted into the army as well, 2 new battleships were built to modernise the aging navy, and Sweden began the arms race, builing up all forms of power on her borders. It was only a matter of time before war broke out again, and this time it could be the last.

When the year 1915 came along, the tensions had risen to new levels in europe. Austria once again declared war on Russia, grinding deepinto her heartlands, Russia responded by a full mobilisation, though this time the tzars were not taking any chances, and mobilised 450000 men at her capital alone. Isolated on this territorial island, the men were useless to stop austria, save for three steamers in the baltic and russias new fleet shipping the men across the oceans to the baltic states. putting up some moderate resistance.

On the otherside of the baltic, the German Alliance Declared war on the UK and her dominions, It truly was a black year for the world of peace. Now only France, Sweden and Spain sit in peace, but for how long?






Im thinking of going to war against russia, but i must admit that the 300000 men still at st-petersburg will be a major thorn in my side. Seeing as thats 100000 more men than my army combined in the north (we have a further 50000 in indochina)

Also, i have achieved my aim of great power, ranking a humble 8th

the final 5yrs await. A lot can be achieved in 5 years