Fluctuating influence

[Magraev]

I've noticed that sometimes my king/prince/sultan's influence is reset to 0 and then grows by one pr. year until it reaches it's former level. Has anybody else noticed this and is there an explanation for it.

Premises: This has happened in situations without any wars (even neutral with the rebs), The king stationary in the heart of the empire (coastal with full access).

It can be a bit annoying since troops produced at very low influence have very low loyalty. Also any heirs coming of age will be pretty crappy.

Has anybody else seen this?

[katank]

I see it go up 2 at a time though.

it's an infamous influence wraparound bug.

I think I saw it once with piety too when an extreme number of jihads succeeded in a year.

[Kristaps]

Quote[/b] (katank @ July 20 2004,11:25)]I see it go up 2 at a time though.

it's an infamous influence wraparound bug.

I think I saw it once with piety too when an extreme number of jihads succeeded in a year.

here we go again ;) the wraparound bug myth :) well, in my experience, it's a bug, but not a wraparound really. one can test this notion by declaring a bunch of jihads on a province so the sultan's influence goes to max. the next turn: declare one or two more jihads. if the wraparound assumption was right: the sultan's influence should 'wrap around' and reset itself to something low. actually, it does not move (stays at 9).

[Rufus]

Does the king's influence at the time of an heir's birth determine ALL the heir's eventual stats? I've had a couple of real duds in my English hard/high campaign - 1 or 2 stars, 2, 1 then 0 () acumen. But now the current king has 5 influence and has had a son so maybe this kid will be the first non-dunce in the family??

[Kristaps]

Quote[/b] (Rufus @ July 20 2004,11:40)]Does the king's influence at the time of an heir's birth determine ALL the heir's eventual stats? I've had a couple of real duds in my English hard/high campaign - 1 or 2 stars, 2, 1 then 0 () acumen. But now the current king has 5 influence and has had a son so maybe this kid will be the first non-dunce in the family??

it seems, the king's influence at the time when the heir matures is what determines his stats. even if the current king is not the actual father of the heir.

[Magraev]

True in my experience - influence when the heir comes of age is critical.

I don't think it's a wrap-around, I'm pretty sure I've had it reset without being at 9 influence. but why does it happen - is it an undocumented feature to "spice things up" or just a boring bug?

[Rufus]

Hmm. That's interesting because my current king came of age in the same year that his father died. I think his pops had influence of around 6 when he died. But the new king is crap: 1 star, 2 dread, 0 acumen. Could that be because the computer calculated the stats "after" the king's death (I notice V&V's are the last thing you see in the end-year roundup, so that could be), so the computer "thought" there was actually no king (in effect, 0 influence)?

When the current king's brother matured a couple of years later, he also had crap stats but not as bad: 2 stars, 1 acumen, I think. His brother the king had influence of I think 3 when he (the younger brother) matured.

I guess this makes the game more challenging but it's kind of disheartening to play as a bunch of dunces

[katank]

@ Kristaps, I don't know but how else do you explain it?

I've never seen it drop to 1 influence suddenly except if the fella is 9 influence.

[Kristaps]

Quote[/b] (katank @ July 20 2004,14:30)]@ Kristaps, I don't know but how else do you explain it?

I've never seen it drop to 1 influence suddenly except if the fella is 9 influence.

well, to answer that i'd really have to see the code that is doing the influence incrementing in the game. the code has its mysterious ways of developing bugs :)

also, i've noted it before, but the influence loss and then gradual regaining seems to be a problem of crusading/jihading rules not orthodox and non-crusading catholics... i suspect the bug is present in the part of the code calculating crusade/jihad effect.

[katank]

that's true. it's much like how 4+ jihads in single year guarantees 9 piety.

[Armchair Athlete]

I have had this problem before (in fact, upon joining the org it was the first question I asked). What has happened is that the game file has become corrupted. Your kings influence (and any subsequent kings) will jump all over the place for ever. Nothing you can do to salvage that game. This was a very major problem for me, but there are several ways to reduce it. It is linked to the quicksave file, basically the more you go on in time and the more the quicksave file has been overwritten the more chance it has of becoming corrupted. To prevent it;
1. TURN AUTOSAVE OFF. This also overwrites saves files, and so can cause the game file to become corrupted.
2. ONLY QUICKSAVE AT THE START OF THE TURN. Annoying, yes, I want to quicksave once all my moves are done but if you do that then there is additional data being saved that may cause it to go buggy (late in the game). Quicksaving at the start of every turn will not cause the file to go buggy.

Ever since I have done this I have never experienced jumping influence. Do these and you too can enjoy a steady Kings influence

[katank]

really? that's interesting. may give that a try.

[Mablung]

This happened to me as the Danes, no reason for a rap-around, it jus went down to 3 then boom war...

[katank]

really? what influence was he and was there any significant events that might have contributed?

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Armchair Athlete @ July 21 2004,04:11)]1. TURN AUTOSAVE OFF. This also overwrites saves files, and so can cause the game file to become corrupted.
2. ONLY QUICKSAVE AT THE START OF THE TURN. Annoying, yes, I want to quicksave once all my moves are done but if you do that then there is additional data being saved that may cause it to go buggy (late in the game). Quicksaving at the start of every turn will not cause the file to go buggy.

Ever since I have done this I have never experienced jumping influence. Do these and you too can enjoy a steady Kings influence

I have turned auto-save off and only quicksave in battles, but I still saw a influence wrap around effect (high influence king became only 2 influence after he led a crusade succesfully through enemy territory. Next turn he had 3 or 4 influence).

[Tozama]

I have never noticed this happen to me and I check my king's stats A LOT during the game.

I never ever used quick save - maybe that's why???
And I religiously get max influence for my kings so opportunity is always there.
Now I am curious........

[katank]

so turn on autosave every turn as well as manually quicksaving after you made all your moves every turn and you'll likely encounter this when your king is max influence and you crusade or jihad successfully.

[Tozama]

I will try this tonight.

[Armchair Athlete]

Quote[/b] (Ludens @ July 21 2004,13:35)]I have turned auto-save off and only quicksave in battles, but I still saw a influence wrap around effect (high influence king became only 2 influence after he led a crusade succesfully through enemy territory. Next turn he had 3 or 4 influence).

You said you only quicksave in battles? well then thats your problem. Battles take place right at the end of the turn, and so will likely cause the file to become corrupted as time progresses. Only quicksaving at the start of the turn before any moves are made will stop this. Like I said, since I have been doing this I have NEVER had fluctuating influence, even when launching numerous crusades.

[Rufus]

Quote[/b] ]it seems, the king's influence at the time when the heir matures is what determines his stats. even if the current king is not the actual father of the heir.

Well King Edmund the Dunce had 7 influence last night when his son matured, and this son Prince Henry the Drooling takes after his father and has 0 acumen (would've been 1 but for Chinless Wonder).

I guess it's probably because each of my kings has had to marry within the faction, although I'm only on the third king so far. Each time I've needed a foreign princess there were none available to me.

[Ar7]

Just a thing i noticed that is kind of like a wrap around.

Basically i send an inquisitor against a 0 piety general. The inquisitor fails and the general gets a heretic vice. Then i look at his stats and he has 8 piety HOW??. This has happened to me every failure and i ended up with a map of heretic generals that had 6-9 piety.

[katank]

that's like the reverse wraparound. I got piety form 9 to 0 with jihads once on my sultan.

[Ironside]

It got nothing to do with jihads/crusades, I've seen it happen on a Russian king.

Sceens in my post here

I think I've posted these screens before but I don't know when.

[Medieval Assassin]

I once had a 9 piety general, get athist, and stay 9 piety for the rest of the game. He never dropped, I kept looking it just never happened.

[katank]

it's just that due to crusades and jihads, there are usually more sudden changes in influence.

battles would improve influence too. it's just that crusasdes and jihads are usually at fault.

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Rufus @ July 22 2004,19:45)]I guess it's probably because each of my kings has had to marry within the faction, although I'm only on the third king so far.

Actually, the developers have denied that marrying foreign princesses decreases the change of obtaining inbred-vices. It makes sense, because the different kings where related to each other as well as to the nobles.

Quote[/b] (Armchair Athlete @ July 22 2004,06:08)]You said you only quicksave in battles? well then thats your problem. Battles take place right at the end of the turn, and so will likely cause the file to become corrupted as time progresses. Only quicksaving at the start of the turn before any moves are made will stop this. Like I said, since I have been doing this I have NEVER had fluctuating influence, even when launching numerous crusades.

All right, I'll try it. Thanks.