Bonuses to units

[Tenlarn]

Is there any list of what provinces give what bonuses to what units. Lot of what's sorry. I have looked through some of the boards but have not seen any? If not could someone tell me what unit is given a bonus in Portugal?

[Ockham's razor]

I think it's caravels, +1 valour.
But I could be wrong.

[Tenlarn]

What is a caravel, I don't remember seeing that on the unit listings?

[katank]

it is caravel. they are deep water ships for catholics (not sicilians and italians) and russians.

they can move two regions a turn and are available with a dockyard from high onwards.

[Tenlarn]

Ah, that makes sense, here I was looking under cavalry listings thinking that there was a typo, didn't realize that they gave bonuses for the ships as well. Thanks.

[katank]

no problem

[Doug-Thompson]

ARMENIA – Armenian HC
MOLDAVIA – Avar Nobles (no bonus, just can't get them anywhere else.)
MOROCCO – Berber Camels
TOULOUSE – Chivalric Knights
LESSER ARMENIA – Ghulam Cavalry
SAXONY – Goth Knights
CONSTANTINOPLE – Kataphracts
MALTA – Knights Hospitallars.
LEON – Knights of Santiago.
PALESTINE – Knights Templar
EGYPT – Mameluke Cavalry
SINAI – Mameluke HA
EDESSA – Ottoman Sipathi
NICEA – Pornos
CYRENCIA – Saharan Cavalry
PRUSSIA – Teutonic Knights
TRIPOLI – Turcomon HA
ANTIOCH – Turcopole HA
GRENADA – Almohad Urban Militia
MERCIA – Billmen
BULGARIA – Bulgarian Brigands
ISLE DE FRANE – Chivalric Foot
IRELAND – Gallowglass
GENOA – Genoese Sailors
BRANDENBURE – Gothic foot
SCOTLAND – Highland Clansmen
RHODES – Hospitallier Foot
GEORGIA – Janissary Bows
BULGARIA – Janissary Heavy Infantry
WALES – Longbows
SYRIA – Nizari and Assassins
RUM – Ottoman Infantry
PROVENCE – Peasants
TRYOLIA – Pikemen
SWITZERLAND – Swiss Halbs and Swiss Pikes
TREBIZOND – Trebizond Archers
ANATOLIA – Turcomon foot
TUSCANY – Urban Militia
NORWAY – Vikings
LITHUANIA – Woodsmen

TUNISIA — Dhows
PORTUGAL — Caravels
VENICE — Galleys? I can't remember if this is just for Venice or for all Italian galleys.

I probably missed some, too.

[Ecthelion]

On a side note, do you get the valour bonuses for the crusader knights by launching crusades from those provinces or do you have to make them trainable?

[Quokka]

ALGERIA - Berber Camels
RUM - Ottoman Sipahi
TRIPOLI - Sipahi-of-the Porte
WESSEX - Cog
DENMARK - Longboats
CASTILE - Inquistors and Grand Inquisitors

VENICE - Galleys only


I have never figured out what the valour bonus does for ships as the ones that get produced in the correct provinces still come out with 0* and I don't see any other way to interperet the bonus.

I really don't like the bonuses for Wessex, Denmark and Venice as the AI tries to build towards the units that get bonuses, without regard for era, and this often means that they neglect any other buildings all of which are more important especially in the early phases of the game.

Denmark needs to get some Farming and troops to take out the rest of Scandinavia at least before going broke under the weight of the Prince's BodyGuard units.

Wessex does the same thing and often means that it can have a Castle or more and only produce Archers and falls easily to the French.

Worst is Venice that can often only produce the Urban Militia and totally neglects its rich farming or even a Trade Post to sell things on the boats it produces

Portugal to a certain degree is the same but as its not a starting province its not guaranteed the AI will waste money developing Caravels straight away, especially if the Almohads take the province.

The boats are the first thing I mod out or away from those provinces. Moving the boats to another province , ie Denmark -> Norway, and even giving the other boats bonus provinces (Med Islands is a good place, how else did they get on/off them anyway?) means that the AI will actually make some while not shackling itself.

[Mith_]

Quote[/b] ]On a side note, do you get the valour bonuses for the crusader knights by launching crusades from those provinces or do you have to make them trainable?

Crusades will do, I've gotten +1 valor for Knights Templar in crusades started in Palestine.

[Mith_]

Oh, and

Quote[/b] ]SWITZERLAND – Swiss Halbs and Swiss Pikes

I think in-game Switzerland is denoted as giving +1 valour to Swiss Pikemen-- no halbs, not Armoured Pikemen (I think). Can somebody confirm this? (As I have never actually built Swiss Pikes/Armoured Pikes, but I am sure that Swiss Halbs get no valor bonus).

BTW, Doug-Thompson, you wouldn't happen to be the Doug Thompson that used to post at the Age of Kings Heaven strat forums?

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Mith_ @ July 20 2004,19:45)]BTW, Doug-Thompson, you wouldn't happen to be the Doug Thompson that used to post at the Age of Kings Heaven strat forums?

Yes indeed. MTW is what I hoped for instead of Age of Mythology. I don't believe in miracles.

[Armchair Athlete]

for some reason though Ship valour bonuses dont seem to work at all. Instead it seems to be tied to the influence or command of your ruler

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Mith_ @ July 21 2004,02:45)]I think in-game Switzerland is denoted as giving +1 valour to Swiss Pikemen-- no halbs, not Armoured Pikemen (I think). Can somebody confirm this?

I checked it with Gnome and it is correct. Swiss Pikes get a bonus in Switzerland. There is also a hidden bonus for Janissary Heavy Infantry in Bulgaria.

Quote[/b] (Armchair Athlete @ July 21 2004,05:30)]for some reason though Ship valour bonuses dont seem to work at all. Instead it seems to be tied to the influence or command of your ruler

The idea is that the influence of the ruler determines the base command rating of the admirals, and the province adds +1 to that. I never tried this out, though. It should be possible by comparing the command stats of Dows build in Tunisia and another province.

[katank]

I think it's both influence and command of the rulers that matters.

also, the JHI one is fairly well known.