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    Well heres a nice topic for the other side of the world that TW has only vaguely touched upon. Heres my top five:

    Ieyasu Matsudaira Tokugawa - Finally united Japan after almost 400 years of civil war and puppet rulers. He was a very great ruler whose dynasty lasted til the 1860's. He died in 1613.

    Genghis Khan - If you dont know who this guy is, you dont belong on this forum.

    Sun Tzu - Author of the "Art of War" he changed the face of strategy as we know it.

    Oda Nobunaga - Famous for his ruthlessness, young Nobunaga also changed the face of Japanese warfare, and put it, to a certain degree, 300 years ahead of its time. He recognized the awesome potential of the European arquebus, and had it first mass produced then upgraded to a much better model, that could actually fire in rain and wouldnt blow up in your hands. His tactics with this awesome weapon were very similar ot those of Napoleon, who wouldnt come into the world of warfare til 300 years later. He also manged to unite most of the prvinces of Japan under his control, temporarily stopping the chaos, til he was tragically assassinated by a disloyal general in the 1570's.

    Zhuge Kong-Ming Liang - The Asian equivalent of Leonardo Da Vinci, he was famous for not only being one of the most ingenius, if not THE most, general that ever lived, he also along with his wife Lady Yue Ying, invented some of the most ingenius weapons of war, and actually put them into use. One of the most outstanding of his inventions, was the Chu-Ko-Long, a repeating crossbow, that was bascially the ancient equivalent of a sub-machine gun. Interestingly enough, the Europeans would not come up with this til around 1,250 years after his death, and thier version invented by the ingenius Leonardo Da Vinci, would never see a day of action.

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    If you mean Asia, as in the whole continent:

    5. Moses
    4. St. Paul
    3. Buddha
    2. Mohammed
    1. Jesus of Nazareth

    If you're not counting the Middle East:

    5. Tokugawa
    4. Sun Tzu
    3. Confucius
    2. Genghis Khan
    1. Buddha

    EDIT: my "whoops" on Hammurabi, thanks Pindar. He would be in the top 10 if the Middle East were included.



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    1) Jesus of Nazareth

    2) Mohammed

    3) Buddha

    4) Confucius

    5) Abraham



    Rufus,

    Why did you include Hammurabi as part of your non-Middle Eastern list? You don't consider Mesopotamia in the Middle East?

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    Perhaps i should have wrote "Orientals" no I do not mean the middle East or India.

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    Yamamoto Tsunetomo

    Sun Tzu

    Confucius

    Siddhartha

    Tokugawa Ieyasu
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    Kung Fu Zi (Confucious) probably...and Lao Zi (if he's a real person, not an impersonation) AFAICT.

    Oh, also Shi Huang Di (iirc), who founded the first united Chinise state (Qin).

    If you included India, Siddharta Gautama (Buddha) would be in without question.
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    last time I checked India was in Asia
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    *points Sjakihatta to my 2nd post in this topic*

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Perhaps i should have wrote "Orientals" no I do not mean the middle East or India.
    Orientals means Easterners and refers to all East of the West "Occident". The Occident is the Greeks and their cultural heirs.

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    Kong Ming, Zheng He(Cheng Ho), Chenggis Khan, Yin Zheng and Han Wudi.

    Mostly chinese guys, except for Temujin, but i have to say these were pretty infleuntial in making chinese history, Yin Zheng and Han Wudi united china, Cheng Ho was a great explorer, Kong Ming inventor, strategist, tactician, if it were'nt for him i don't even know if the most incredible peice of chinese literature would exist(Romance of the 3 kingdoms ).

    I have covered all 4, except for Temujin, but i bet everyone knows about him

    I have to add, the greeks invented the repeating ballista way before Kong Ming.

    http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/RepCatapult.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (faisal @ July 27 2004,04:36)]...Zheng He(Cheng Ho)...
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    Not literally influential maybe but a great man indeed.

    Apologies for skipping him and thanks for reminding.
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    Jesus
    Zhuge Liang
    Sun Tzu
    Oda Nubanaga
    Ghenghis Khan

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    From legacy point of view ..... it's influence in the long run...

    1.jesus
    2.Budda
    3.Mohammad
    4.Confucious
    5.Qin Shi Huang

    If ur purely talking about east Asia....

    1.Confucious
    2.Qin Shi Huang
    3.Budda (yes he is south asian but still)
    4.Lao zi
    5.Han Fei Zi

    Kingdoms fall, thoughts last forever, only put 1 politition there and that's because he did leave a lasting legacy in many parts undeniable even today....




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    East Asia

    1.) Qin Shi Huangdi
    2.) Genghis Khan
    3.) Sun Tzu
    4.) Confucius
    5.) Kublai Khan

    Asia as a Whole

    1.)Jesus of Nazereth (probably the most influential human being in history)
    2.)Muhammad
    3.)Buddha
    4.)Genghis Khan
    5.)Cai Lun (inventor of Paper)
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    China is not a world power. China is the world, and it's surrounded by a ring of tiny and short-lived civilisations like the Americas, Europeans, Mongols, Moghuls, Indians, Franks, Romans, Japanese, Koreans.

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