How can I beat my dad?

[lisabeanie]

Hello everone I am 10 years old. Have played many viking multi player games against my dad. He plays as the welsh and I am the mercians. He wins all the time. Could you please give me some advice on how to beat him? Any advice will do.

[Colovion]

Read some of these guides

Describe an average battle - or the most recent. Describe his battle plans and yours and we'll be able to help you beat your dad.

[Duke of Gloucester]

Of course the help given won't be much good if Dad looks at peoples' suggestions - so I won't look at this thread again. Well, I might if LB starts to beat me regularly . She has plenty of time to practice because we can't play again until my laptop comes back in September.

[Oleander Ardens]

Do as Colovion said;

Perhaps you can tell us which troops he mostly uses as well;

... I suspected that her dad is one of the .org, ~:p good worke Duke

Cheers

OA

[Blodrast]

laugh, this is hilarious !
Duke, you should play fair with your girl: the ratio of money for troops should be proportionate with the ratio of your ages...otherwise it's not fair at all

[lisabeanie]

He normally starts with 5000 florins and I have 10000.He uses about 4 units of armoured spearmen, 4 units of welsh bandits and 4 units of Celtic warriors . He normally sets up his spearmen in a line the welsh bandits behind them and then on the flanks his Celtic warriors. He starts by pinning me with the spearmen and then he flanks me with the Celtic warriors. This is annoying because it happens every time to me and I don’t have a strategy. Thanks for all your solutions.
Lisabeanie

[lisabeanie]

He will be so scared his grey hair will shoot up lisabeanie

[Papewaio]

Like the use of smilies

Well swords and militia beat spears.

Also it sounds like he is using only twelve units. And no cavalry.

So you need to get 12 units of swordsmen and militia and another 4 units of cavalry.

First attack his spearmen with one unit each of swordsmen.

Attack his celtic warriors on one flank with 4 sword/militia and set them to hold formation.

On the other flank attack his celtic warriors with 8 sword/militia.

Once you have finished the celtic warriors march against the rear of the nearest enemy.

With your cavalry keep them far away from the battle until all dad's spearmen and celtic warriors are fighting then charge the welsh bandits. Hopefully they will run... once your swordsmen finish the celts they can help your cavalry.

May not work but it may give your dad a few more grey hairs

[Kekvit Irae]

How can I beat my dad?

I vote this as the Number One Subject Title That Can Be Taken Out Of Context.

[Oaty]

I vote this as the Number One Subject Title That Can Be Taken Out Of Context.

First take a baseball bat ................

Of course the help given won't be much good if Dad looks at peoples' suggestions - so I won't look at this thread again. Well, I might if LB starts to beat me regularly . She has plenty of time to practice because we can't play again until my laptop comes back in September.

Meanie meanie meanie. Please LB do'nt win too many or I'm in trouble



Well first off do you have anything you can blackmail him with (Be careful though you may get the secret blackmailer vice)


get with your mom and have her call him into the kitchen saying it is very important. at that time start making piecemeal of his troops. (beware you may get a family favorites vice)


If your mom wo'nt agree to this spend endless hours practicing until you can finally outwit him and send him fleeing off the battlefield. (warning this is an automatic secret pride vice wich if revealed will have penalties)

Or you can just wait until he is senile and take advantage of his weaknesses then(but you will more than likely get the procastinator vice)

And if all else fails Go into the stats files and make peasants uber strong there attack 10 defense 10 and a charge value of 20 and also make the price of all elite units 3 times the amount. Make sur you buy all peasants and see who laughs last. (you will be awarded a master of numbers vice but this is actually good)


Well enough of the jokes, is your dad treating you like a time commanders contestant (leaving you in the dark) or is he teaching you about flanking maneuvers and what units you should send after other units and wich units you should try to avoid with certain units. Well hopefully your dad will start giving you some good advice and good luck

[Papewaio]

Welcome Lisabeanie ,

I will do my best to help you.

First thing though is to know what you are using and what your dad is using.

Second at the end of the battle when you see what won and lost list how many kills each unit got. Then compare that with how much you paid for that unit.

If you are paying lots of money then they should be getting lots of kills.

That is very basic advice.

Now for the real useful advice.

1) How do you like to fight? Make an army around that. [*] If you like to sit still then use lots of spearmen, archers and a few swordsmen/militia and a couple of cavalry.[*] If you like to attack then do the opposite... no archers, a couple of spearmen and lots of swordsmen, militia and cavalry.

2) If the problem is that all your units are running away... get braver units.[*] Go for valour upgrades.[*] Larger units that are not militia[*] Higher armour... units that take a bit to kill don't run fast... if a unit is losing lots of people quickly they get very frightened. On the other hand knights die slowly and are very brave against everything except spearmen.

3) Paper-Scissors-Stone
MTW is a bit like that.

Spearmen beat Cavalry
Cavalry beat Archers one unit to one.
Cavalrt beat Swords one man to one (ie 20 knights will beat 20 swordsmen).
Swords beat Spearmen
Archers beat militia.
Militia beat heavily armoured enemies... combine militia with spearmen to beat knights.

4) How powerful are your enemy?
When you look at the enemy unit see how many of the small triangle flags they have. Each one equals one valour... so if you see a sword unit with four triangle flags (pennants) then it has four valour.

5) Keep your general alive as long as possible.

6) Most of important have fun!

[LegionnaireX]

This is a little OT but LisaBeanie, you don't sound like much of a 10 year-old to me. You sound older.

[Samwell]

Hi thanks for the welcome

[lisabeanie]

Thanks for all your help I beat him ten minutes ago ; both our generals ran away early on but at the end I mostly destroyed him with Saxon Huscarles. I have really enjoyed reading all my replies.

@LegionnaireX: I really am 10 but thanks for the complement.

lisa

[Accounting Troll]

WOOHOO!!!!!

Whenever you beat your dad, don't forget to save the battle so you can replay your moment of glory when his friends come round

Try not to commit your general to the fighting too early if possible. The sight of a general running away can often cause the rest of the army to panic. Likewise, getting your father's general to run away will demoralise his men.

[Orda Khan]

Well done lisabeanie, I bet your dad is really proud of you

......Orda

[lisabeanie]

Dad and I are going to play another game should I change my side? I don’t know?

[Powell]

AHhhhhhhhhhhh the Welsh....eek. Right errrrr lemme think. I'll just tell you some of my old Viking armies.

Mercians:

1 Noble cavalry general
4 Mounted Sergeants on 3 valour (if you can't get them on 3 valour don't bother with them)
4 Saxon huscarls (1 valour try to aim for)
4 Militia sergeants (3-4 valour)
3 archers (upgrade em if you want.......I don't bother.)

Just use the standard tactic of archers laying down covering fire while your saxons and milis run in and slay some Welshies while cavalry flank

Irish (my favourite ever ever ever faction....ever):

4 Mounted Nobles on 1 ish valour
4 Dartmen with 3 weapon upgrades or something
4 Bonnachts
4 Gallowglasses

OK this is a tiny bit more complicated. If you don't like the idea of an army that will take heavy losses before it even inflicts a single kill don't pick this one. Many people prefer to let their Bonnachts take the arrows...but I like letting the dartmen take it. Bonnachts are excellent secondary infantry in my opinion. OK here's the set up:

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
-----GGGGGGG-----
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

D = Dartmen
B = Bonnachts
G = Gallowglasses
N = Mounted Nobles

The reason there are -----s is because those are empty spaces because Gallows will be in 4 ranks deep formation (except the cavalry, which would work well in 2). Be sure to put your whole army in 4 ranks deep formation, with the dartmen in loose formation and hold position and the bonnachts in hold position and formation. Let your dartmen kill the Welsh Bandits some, then do a cavalry charge V his Bandits if you want to finish em off. This should make him attack. At which point you switch formation to:

NNNNNNNGGGGGGGNNNNNNNN
----BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB----
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

The Noblemen protect the flanks of the Gallowglasses, which will give the Gallowglasses a morale boost......the Bonnachts throw pointy death over the heads of your Gallows.........Seeing as Gallowglasses are possibly the best infantry of Viking era enemy infantry shouldn't last too long. If you see your cavalry about to be attacked by enemy infantry pull back behind the Bonnachts though. Any Dartmen you have left use them to throw javelins at the enemy too.

Some problems you'll encounter with this army :

1. Low morale. All the units in that army (except cavalry) start out on 0 morale I think. This means you need 3 valour on the Bonnachts and Gallowglasses at least or else they'll flee at the sight of an enemy. This army is best suited for 15k (15000) florin games because of this.
2. Gallowglasses charge without orders. Yep.......putting them on hold position and formation would be a good idea until you're ready to charge....if you want to.
3. Bonnachts are NOT anti cavalry. They look like they have spears, but the last thing you want is for them to get into a fight with cavalry. Every time I've sent them V cavalry they get slain.

Aside from those problems this army should do very well. I averaged 1000 kills with it when I played online with it.......Normal sized units . Just errrrr............remember to RUN in when you get within archer range or else you might not make it to those Bandits .



Wow I'm a motormouth. Lol it's nearly a novel is this. Anyway GL to you V your dad. First father/ child game I've actually heard of so far, despite lots of MTW and RTW players having children that are old enough to play it.

[ah_dut]

Indeed, i find though a better way lisa is in fact to have a peasant as a gen and get him to withdraw then no panic penalty. It's ok but leaves a slight hole in your line. Mais AFAIK you have a cash handicap over your dad so hell.... give your huscarls a bit more valour from the saved money or get a better cav unit to flank ye dad and you'll be beating your dad at VI until you start playing RTW

[octavian]

Indeed, i find though a better way lisa is in fact to have a peasant as a gen and get him to withdraw then no panic penalty.

except for the total breach of etiquette......
congrats on the win

[Clips]

Or you could just set his screen so it goes into power saving every 5 minutes then challenge him to a game, could be interesting

[m4rt14n]

oh that last post was so evil.