Random unhappiness

**eadeater** · 08-09-2004, 19:36

Thanks Blodrast, I know about the vices that generals get, and the buildings that help loyalty and so on, and the trade, and in most of my games I do keep to these guidelines and generally rebellions are very rare. What bothers me is the completely spontaneous change. The most recent example, which urged me to seek help: I am playing on expert, with english and rule from one end of Spain to Hungarian lands, as well as some islands, and in 1212, everything is peachy. All provinces are green, and high tax, with an average of 150% or so loyalty. Turn ends, nothing specific happens, a few bad vices as usual, but nothing on the king, and 1213 begins, and suddenly ALL my provinces bar a few are at 0% loyalty! None of the happiness building were destroyed, no re-emergences and my king didnt move from Wessex. No-one declared war and I didn't get excommunicated.

**massamuusi** · 08-09-2004, 19:51

My advice is, stop when you've reached one third of map, build economy and loads of money. Then advance and try to keep as much money in the coffers as possible. That's all.
I had gathered something 40% of map, and had massed over 300000 florins. You know, it wasn't enough for 90% of the map, at this time I had to disband 10000 florins worth of upkeep of troops. Not something you feel like doing, but had to. Then again, they had already served their purpose, I still got a lot of men left, and it just showed how flexible leader I am

**eadeater** · 08-09-2004, 19:58

True, you do need a lot of money to go for the complete conquest, but in this example I already have over 300000 florins as well as a ridiculous annual income, but you can't really do anything when all your provinces have had rebellions.... Actually, this is another thing. The provinces are meant to have peasants revolting, and it says so in the messages as well. But what units do I get? Feudal and chivalric men-at-arms, pavise arbalesters and feudal knights! Peasants that can afford a war horse, armour, sword, arbalest etc?

**Blodrast** · 08-09-2004, 20:46

ok, i get the picture. This has been reported before, on occasion, but I have yet to see that happen in one of my games. Truth is, I don't know how to help you in this case, or whether a solution exists.
Just to make sure, it's not a civil war, right ? It's just some rebellions.
I've never seen any explanation for this kind of event, and some people consider it a bug.
Does lowering the taxes a bit in 1212 make any difference ?
I mean, a drop in loyalty may be understandable, but 0% loyalty is extreme...

Other than that, I'm sorry, I have no idea.

**eadeater** · 08-09-2004, 21:06

Yep, it's definitely not a civil war, all my generals have very high loyalties, and right clicking on the rebels explains that "the peasants in this province are rebelling. They will attack at the end of the year. etc...."
Yeah I have tried lowering the taxes in the previous year, and something that is even more paradoxical is that when I try to rescue the situation and actually fight the battles and win some of them, the next year, 1214, all the provinces are back to their original, high loyalty values. I've experienced this twice before, once with the Byzantines and once with the Holy Roman Empire, and it actually annoys the hell out of me because it sets me back a dozen years to reclaim or bribe all the lands back, and inevitably some scavangers will take some of my lands

Oh well, I suppose I might have to accept it as a bug or something. Or maybe the sour loser computer is cheating.

**Ironside** · 08-10-2004, 07:50

Could it possibly be that you missed that one of your ships sank? When you're big, the distance to the king is VERY important and because no war was started, the shiplines cannot been disrupted in that way.

**Papewaio** · 08-10-2004, 09:49

Don't need a ships as England has a connection through Flanders. Sounds very weird, might have tripped some sort of random thing.

So the King has no vices, not ex-communicated, won all battles recently, hasn't stripped any generals of titles and isn't using his princess to marry his princes?

What version of MTW? 1.0, 1.1, VI etc

Are these events happening in the same year?

Plague or anything else... it might be a bug...

**Sir Toma of Spain** · 08-15-2004, 02:25

[QUOTE=eadeater]True, you do need a lot of money to go for the complete conquest, but in this example I already have over 300000 florins as well as a ridiculous annual income, but you can't really do anything when all your provinces have had rebellions.QUOTE]

I think you need about 500000 florins to make it as that is how much i lost in the last 60 years of the game as the Spanish