How do you guys use the Irish in MP?

[Simovek]

I've been wondering how experienced MP players use the Irish on MP games. The Irish don't have bows and don't seem to have anything which can go toe to toe with Huscarles. How do you guys get by these disadvantages?


I posted this in the MP forum, but got no responces. Maybe ill get more here.

[katank]

kerns, bonnachts, and other javs.

javs do mega armor piercing damage.

gallows are also great for plunging in on a flank.

[Simovek]

Yes but whenever I play The Irish I always get shot all to hell by enemy archers, which I can't return fire to.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

javs do mega armor piercing damage.

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[katank]

true but never underestimate javs.

a single volley from bonnachts can drop half the enemy unit and 2-3 kern volleys can kill half a unit of huscarles.

the key to using Irish is to use tree cover and also the weather as well as elevation to try and reduce the range sdisadvantage and reduce vulnerability to archers.

armor isn't as much a problem as enemy missiles.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

One time as the Irish, I was fighting someone (rebels?) who had archers and some spears (If I remember correctly). They outnumbered me and, since I lacked bonnachts and had only one unit of gallowglasses, I was outclassed, too. But I had terrain advantage in the form of a modest-sized hill. And there I saw how dartmen could beat archers. With the hill to give them range, my two dartmen units rained javelin-fortified death on the field. The enemy was butchered!

A couple rounds of javs can make it a very bad day for most units. Even though they are best vs. armored, javs are also way more powerful than archers against unarmored units. Give them some height and javs are, at least sometimes, much better than archers. They can usually fight better in hand-to-hand (but of course there are exceptions to every rule, including this one).

Just thought I could illustrate your usual tactical brilliance, katank.