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    Default Unit Valor Bonuses

    Long, long time lurker...looking for some information.

    I am looking for province valor bonuses for units - no dice in Froggy's Unit guide, and I'm stumped looking elsewhere. Any suggestions?

    I looking for valor bonuses that are listed and hidden as well.

    Thanks!
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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    Ok let's see....
    Scotland- Highland Clansmen
    Genoa- Genoese Sailors
    Trebizond- Trebizond Archers
    Georgia- Jannisary Archers
    Syria- Nizaris, Assassins
    Anatolia- Turcoman Foot Soldiers
    Wales- Longbows
    Rum- Ottoman Infantry, Ottoman Sipahi
    Antioch- Turcopole
    Morocco/Algeria- Berber Camels
    Sinai- Mamluk Horse Archers
    Tripoli- Turcoman Horse Archers, Sipahi of the Porte
    Rhodes- Hospitaller Foot Knights
    Tuscany- Urban Militia
    Mercia- Billmen
    Norway- Vikings
    Ile de France- Chivalric Foot Knights
    Saxony- Gothic Knights
    Granada- Almo Urban Militia
    Ireland- Gallowglass
    Provence- Peasants
    Tyrolia- Pikemen
    Switzerland- Swiss Pikemen
    Cryenacia- Sahara Cavalry
    Egypt- Mamluk Cavalry
    Armenia- Armenian Cav
    Lesser Armenia- Ghulam Cav
    Nicaea- Pronoai Allagion
    Constantinople- Kataphraktoi
    Edessa- Ottoman Sipahi
    Malta- Knights Hospitaller
    Leon- Knights of Santiago
    Palestine- Knights Templar
    Prussia- Teutonic Knights
    Toulouse- Chivalric Knights
    Brandenburg- Gothic Foot Knights
    Lithuania- Woodsmen
    Tunisia- Dhow
    Denmark- Longboat
    Venice- Galley
    Portugal- Caravel
    Wessex- Cog
    Aragon- Gungalley
    Castille- Inquistor, Grand Inquisitor
    Bulgaria- Bulgarian Brigands, (I think maybe Janissary Heavy Infantry have a valor bonus here too, but I'm not sure)

    Hope that helps.


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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    Gracias!

    A link to the page, or straight off the top of your head?
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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by newagebassist20
    Ok let's see....
    Scotland- Highland Clansmen
    Genoa- Genoese Sailors
    Trebizond- Trebizond Archers
    Georgia- Jannisary Archers
    Syria- Nizaris, Assassins
    Anatolia- Turcoman Foot Soldiers
    Wales- Longbows
    Rum- Ottoman Infantry, Ottoman Sipahi
    Antioch- Turcopole
    Morocco/Algeria- Berber Camels
    Sinai- Mamluk Horse Archers
    Tripoli- Turcoman Horse Archers, Sipahi of the Porte
    Rhodes- Hospitaller Foot Knights
    Tuscany- Urban Militia
    Mercia- Billmen
    Norway- Vikings
    Ile de France- Chivalric Foot Knights
    Saxony- Gothic Knights
    Granada- Almo Urban Militia
    Ireland- Gallowglass
    Provence- Peasants
    Tyrolia- Pikemen
    Switzerland- Swiss Pikemen
    Cryenacia- Sahara Cavalry
    Egypt- Mamluk Cavalry
    Armenia- Armenian Cav
    Lesser Armenia- Ghulam Cav
    Nicaea- Pronoai Allagion
    Constantinople- Kataphraktoi
    Edessa- Ottoman Sipahi
    Malta- Knights Hospitaller
    Leon- Knights of Santiago
    Palestine- Knights Templar
    Prussia- Teutonic Knights
    Toulouse- Chivalric Knights
    Brandenburg- Gothic Foot Knights
    Lithuania- Woodsmen
    Tunisia- Dhow
    Denmark- Longboat
    Venice- Galley
    Portugal- Caravel
    Wessex- Cog
    Aragon- Gungalley
    Castille- Inquistor, Grand Inquisitor
    Bulgaria- Bulgarian Brigands, (I think maybe Janissary Heavy Infantry have a valor bonus here too, but I'm not sure)

    Hope that helps.

    That list looks real familiar.

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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    i have a question concerning valour boni for chivalric/gothic foot knights.

    as you can't build just foot knights, i suppose you get a bonus for chivalric knights from ile de france only if you use them dismounted in battle, but not if you use them mounted, right?

    and for chivalric knights from toulouse, do you only get the bonus if you use them mounted or even if they are dismounted?

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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    Hi Leodegar

    AFAIK you are correct. The Ile de France bonus is only while dismounted whilst the Toulouse bonus is only while mounted.

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    Question Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    I want to ask why do I get units like Bllmen in Mercia ot Longbowmen in Wales with 3, 4 or 5 valour. Should not I get maximum 2 valour units if a have master level building and province bonus + 1 valour. Why is this happening i have and a church too, but i dont think this is the decision.I notice things like this in other provinces too. I get New units with 2, 3 or more valour without any reason.

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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    Quote Originally Posted by SlyConqueror
    I want to ask why do I get units like Bllmen in Mercia ot Longbowmen in Wales with 3, 4 or 5 valour. Should not I get maximum 2 valour units if a have master level building and province bonus + 1 valour. Why is this happening i have and a church too, but i dont think this is the decision.I notice things like this in other provinces too. I get New units with 2, 3 or more valour without any reason.
    Must be awful to be you ~:p Does your king has skyhigh influence by any chance?

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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    The Ile de France bonus for Chivalric Foot Knights and the Brandenburg bonus for Gothic Foot Knights only appear to come into effect for the occasional rare instance where those units appear as part of a rebellion. During my editing of campaign files I've come across no tracking of where a unit was built, so CKs from Ile de France should be treated like CKs from Normandy or Wessex or any other region, and so won't get a valour bonus for dismounting. I may be wrong, meaning there's a flag somewhere that I haven't found; I'll have to finally build a CK in Ile de France to check.

    The region bonuses for CFK & GFK are more likely to be holdovers from a pre-release version of MTW when you could build them as distinct units. Personally, I just mod them to be buildable and the problem is thus solved.


    Slyconqueror: Are those units appearing with a leader with Command 2+ or in a stack with a general with the same? Either will increase the effective Valour, and if the latter it can be easily demonstrated by removing the unit from the general's stack, you'll see the Valour drop to its true base value.
    Last edited by Sinner; 08-25-2004 at 13:34.

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    Default Re: Unit Valor Bonuses

    Thanks for the info - I understood some provinces did not have an official "listing" in the game as to unit valor bonuses. Still, I knew of hidden bonuses, but wasn't sure where.

    Thanks!
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