Hungarian Kings/Princes/Generals suck?

**Emren** · 08-26-2004, 12:20

Hello there!

I am new to these forums, but not to TW, by any means...

Although the new demo is out, we can still play MTW, right? ~:p

So I decide to try out the Hungarian faction and I have a lot of fun fighting the Byzantines, but I notice one thing: My king/princes/generals never get more than 3 stars, usually only 1 or 2.

Anyone else has this experience?

Oh, and one forum question: Where's the damn search button???

Regards, Martin

**Maeda Toshiie** · 08-26-2004, 12:47

@Emren

Welcome to the Org

The stars of your princes are affected by the rank of your king and his influence. Low influence usually means ranks lower than the king's. High influence usually means ranks similar or even higher than that of the king.

The search is disabled for the junior members I think.

*edit*
4 star generals are fixed entities. Each faction has a list of them, appearing at specific times.

**MonkeyMan** · 08-26-2004, 12:51

Hi Emren welcome to the org :)

So far as I know most of the processes that govern your kings and generals are pretty much random apart from a few exceptions:

Princes will inherit their fathers general stats, give or take a point or so
Your starting king will always be the same
Some generals are specific hero units that come out of particular provinces at a particular time.
Other than that winning battles the old fashioned way is the best way to succeed, as well as chosing provincial governers wisely.

You'll never start off with generals as good as the Byzantines, but you should be able to get a good royal line and a stock of good generals within 50 years or so if you manage your empire correctly.

BTW I have the search option on the top grey bar, I've been out of the loop for a bit so i am unsure if all member levels get the option. Perhaps someone else can help.

**Ludens** · 08-26-2004, 13:07

Welcome to the Org, Emren.

In regard to your second question: yes, there is a search function, but TosaInu disabled it for junior patrons because it brought the forum down on a regular basis. Also, the search function is as yet unable to track the topics of the old forum we abandoned a month ago.

Regarding your kings: princes tend to have about the same stats as the king has the turn before they mature (doesn't matter if the king is their father, uncle or brother). High influence kings get better heirs. However, there is a bug or feature whereby high command kings get zero star sons. Therefor some players recommend never getting your king above seven stars.
The starting influence of a king is faction dependend: Byzantine kings always start with great influence and therefor get great heirs. I haven't played with Hungary yet, but my guess is that they have a standard low influence and thus will get unimpressive heirs.

Getting fine heirs is an art in itself. There was beautiful post about this some time ago, but because of the search function-troubles I cannot find it. The essence is that figthing kings get better sons and are less likely to get nasty vices. So keep them in the field even if you have better generals available. This is also a great way to improve your influence. Heir improving is a low proces, but try for example the Viking campaign. You'll be amazed at how fast you can get a royal family of military geniusses.

**Emren** · 08-26-2004, 13:35

Thanks for the replies, guys, much appreciated!

I think my woes stem form the fact that, in a single (albeit very major) battle vs. the Byzantines, I lost my king and two heirs before any of them had gained a single level! See, in all my early battles vs. the rebels, the rebels would retreat with no battle experience as a result. The only remaining heir was a young prince with a -1 command vice, so he was a level 2. Naturally, his son are unimpressive, to say the least!

Now, I am locked between the HRE, Poland, Egypt and the Pope (who has all of Italy). I dare not go to war with any of them at the moment, so I cannot gain experience that easily. But, if it's the only way...

**Maeda Toshiie** · 08-26-2004, 13:59

Originally Posted by Emren

Thanks for the replies, guys, much appreciated!

I think my woes stem form the fact that, in a single (albeit very major) battle vs. the Byzantines, I lost my king and two heirs before any of them had gained a single level! See, in all my early battles vs. the rebels, the rebels would retreat with no battle experience as a result. The only remaining heir was a young prince with a -1 command vice, so he was a level 2. Naturally, his son are unimpressive, to say the least!

Now, I am locked between the HRE, Poland, Egypt and the Pope (who has all of Italy). I dare not go to war with any of them at the moment, so I cannot gain experience that easily. But, if it's the only way...

Have VI? If you do train Szekelys. If not, HAs would do for the moment. Do your best to capture the C. It is usually my first eventual target when the campaign starts.

**Emren** · 08-26-2004, 14:40

Yes, I am playing VI - otherwise I wouldn't be able to play the Hungarians, right?

So yes, I have trained Szekelys (and Avar Nobles).

Going for Constantinople means facing off with the Egyptians - and they have soooo many troops there!

I am in a tricky situation. None of my neighbors are particularly weak, so I think I'll just expand my trading for a while, and wait for an opening!