Citadel: Total War- The Rennaissance

[Uesugi Kenshin]

That is what I figured, thanks for the info.

[Eastside Character]

I will send (...) you might want to start again on the campaign, because no matter what I try I just can't get it to work

So, you have no working campaign map, is that right?
Because you see, I could not give you the map I'm making for Pike&Musket, but could make you your own that would fit your timeperiod better. What do you think?

Regards
EC

[Yggdrasill]

So, you have no working campaign map, is that right?
Because you see, I could not give you the map I'm making for Pike&Musket, but could make you your own that would fit your timeperiod better. What do you think?

Regards
EC

Dude that would be great!

[Uesugi Kenshin]

T%hat would be great if you have spare time, but don't sacrifice P&M time for it, we are pretty far from being able to set that up well. Any6 help is always welcome.

[Eastside Character]

Well, anyway here's my deal:
-I make you a working campaign map following your instructions on how its gotta be arranged or whatever else, but then after it's done you owe me something. I kinda can't think of something suitable in return, but certainly that would be something for some mod or stuff like that. What would it be I leave up to you, that is if you are interested. I demand nothing in particular, just make it even.

Regards
EC

[caesar44]

Dude, we can only put in so many factions. f you want all the electors, then we have to cut out almost half the factions. In any case the diplomacy options are not nearly complex enough to do justice to such complicated and subtile relations so even if we add that many german factions you'd probably be disappointed in the end.

Weren't there 7 electors, 4 princes and 3 bishops?

ok got it
you are absolutely right about the diplomatic limitations
there were 7 electors and then 8
electors , archbishops , bishops , princes ets - about 330

[Uesugi Kenshin]

That would be very helpful and we will be forever in your debt.

If you ever think of something we would be glad to help you guys out. Just say the word.


I think the map we wanted was going to be like the RTW one but it will go farther north and have more realistic terrain in Ireland, possibly more mountains/hills. Those are only specific things that come to mind right now, I believe we have a province map somehwere.....

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Just a few updates for eveyone, I got my e-mail up and working again so everybody can again contact me at uesugikenshincitadel@hotmail.com. I have pmed the other two people that are on the team member list as 3D artists, but they have not replied.

[Yggdrasill]

Province map is here

http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1400.htm#%20here

[Byzantine Prince]

That's not a province map. The Ottoman Empire can't be just one province! Not to mention the rest 100 little problems with that map.

[Eastside Character]

That's a political map. I have a historical atlas so generally about sources I don't have to worry about. Still, you have to specify certain things for me. How many regions you want to be there (max?), where do you want to focus gameplay (more provinces go where you want more struggle and action) etc.

And just to make it clear here, my offer is not an offer of P&M team but of myself.

Regards
EC

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Thanks for the help Eastside. I think we want about the same number of provinces in MTW or RTW, I do not think we want to add a ton. Except I think Ireland needs to be at least 2 if not 3 provinces and England needs more provinces.

This is a link to SR's idea for regions, I think it looks pretty good, we may change who owns provinces but I believe the provinces will remain mostly the same.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...1&page=1&pp=30

[Wah_fish]

Yeh I agree about England and Ireland, even If these are my home countries.

The region file looks great. Make sure the cities are where they should be and the ports.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Tonight I am going to attempt to prune some of the threads that are not needed, such as threads asking when we will be realeasing.
Saranalos I have added you to the team roster and attempted to update the roster, everybody else who would like to be added and has been contributing please post here, I cannot be sure who wants to be on the team and do not have time to check if everybody who has been helping is on the list.. I have removed myself from the Historical Battles position for now because I have a lot of work to do on gathering all of the work and research we have done, cleaning up the subforum and organizing what needs to be done.
I can now edit all posts in this forum, but I will for the most part only be editing the progress report and such. If anybody thinks we are farther along than the report currently shows please tell me.
Godspetmonkey I believe we are farther along than 0% in the area of unit models, how far along do you think we are?
How many models have you completed?
I will start my pruning now, but I will not prune anything if it means we lose such valuable threads as the loading screens thread.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Looks like the thread slid off the list and we are not allowed two pages.....
If I cannot locate it somehow I will send a pm to Tosa asking what we can do about it. Anybody know who made the load screens? If they still had them we may be able to get them back or Silver may have them. I will pm Silver and see if he has them.
I think we are only allowed one page of threads (16 threads). I will look into this and see if we can retrieve the files from some sort of trash bin or something.

Edit: Had to add more.

I do not need to delete threads, once they drop off the bottom they are gone and as you can see the soft delete that I have access to is not particularly effective.....

[GodsPetMonkey]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=40688

And they were made by FEMTO, who is an obviously talented 2D artist, but hasn't been seen for ages.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I had it showing threads of only a certain age! Goddammit. I feel really really really dumb. Thanks. I will go humble myself before my keyboard now.

Edit: I will pm him and see if he can/wants to help us out in other areas.

[two_Roses]

I'd like to hepl on skinning but i can't get those god damn DS plugins to work

Get yaself a cheapo copy of photoshop elements 2, get the DS plugin and wack it in the plugins folder. When opening a DS file, click no to use existing minmaps. And when compiling, click generate minmaps, this way it will create long distance view of your skin.

Failing that, lemme do it, I'm itching to get started.

One comment about your European units, alot of them are too frequently/widely used, I mean you have several units of German gothic armour with different weapons, one that shocked me was Gothic Knights with halberts! I studied all of my referance books and asked some friends, none of them see the reason why they should carry halberts. Anyhoo, after me researching for 4 hours I decided to write a reply in the units section - only to find out my message didnt post and all of it was in vain.....well, I was just slightly bubbling inside on that one. Because I can see that this mod looks really kick ass, but I just beleive that alot of your units rely too heavily on Medieval total war, which was never a historically correct game to start with.

Tom.

[Saranalos]

Saranalos I have added you to the team roster

Oh thankyou so much I have waited so long for this moment*breaks down and cries*

Edit: and I know you are viewing this thread right now Ignoramus so there hah!

Unfortunately no new moddelers are offering to join this mod yet.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Well Two Roses the beauty (sp?) of this mod and its team is that we are always willing to be contradicted, proven wrong and corrected. If you see anything that is not historically accurate call us on it and we will take a closer look at it.

[Yggdrasill]

Units are still work in progress so any suggestions are useful. In fact I don't think we shall have heavily (plate) armored foot man-at-arms at all, except for the British, to simulate that knights were very reluctant to dismount (only in sieges did they do that). It would also make the game very unbalanced, since given their stats, such units would be uberkillers.
The dismount option in MTW was great I really wish we still had that in RTW. But, alas...

[GodsPetMonkey]

Get yaself a cheapo copy of photoshop elements 2, get the DS plugin and wack it in the plugins folder. When opening a DS file, click no to use existing minmaps. And when compiling, click generate minmaps, this way it will create long distance view of your skin.

Failing that, lemme do it, I'm itching to get started.

One comment about your European units, alot of them are too frequently/widely used, I mean you have several units of German gothic armour with different weapons, one that shocked me was Gothic Knights with halberts! I studied all of my referance books and asked some friends, none of them see the reason why they should carry halberts. Anyhoo, after me researching for 4 hours I decided to write a reply in the units section - only to find out my message didnt post and all of it was in vain.....well, I was just slightly bubbling inside on that one. Because I can see that this mod looks really kick ass, but I just beleive that alot of your units rely too heavily on Medieval total war, which was never a historically correct game to start with.

Tom.

Some historical licence needs to be taken, nothing extreme, but ranks of nobility (or atleast soldiers rich enough to own top tech armours) all armed the same would have been a very rare sight in anycase.

Basically, the weapon isnt of major importance apart from an asthetic point of view (not to distract from that point of view, otherwise I wouldn't be needed ). But I just follow orders, its easier that way, and if gothic plated foot troops with polearms were much rarer then those with say, bastard swords, then it makes sense the 'primary' uber heavy foot inf. be armed similarly.
Oh, and the polearm animation in RTW is alot better then that in MTW (the way the poor troops wave those things about, they are lucky to return with any limbs attached!).

I diffenately agree that MTW is not the best basis.... even more so as it only shares about 50 years with CTW!

[two_Roses]

Hi

Thanks for the quick reply. I see your requirment for variations in units, and I agree, have different version of Gothic Knights, some with pole axes and some with swords etc etc. But I think some of your units were overstated and rommantised by Medieval Total War, and thus your impression of the units is slightly tainted. Having said that everything Ive seen so far from your screen shots looks great. Ive re-posted my comments in the units section and regardless of whether or not they are taken on board, I'm sure theres going to be a great mod coming out of the works.

Tom.

[Saranalos]

Uesugi I made the battle so that the comp said it was fine and would work perfectly I then try to load the battle and it crashes. I even re-installed RTW and it still dosent work I will try again tommorow because I have to do some stuff to-night.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

OK, there is no real rush. How good is the battle editor?

[Ignoramus]

I didn't know units in Medieval could dismount? How do you do that?

[Saranalos]

The battle editor is okay its not too hard to use but the placing of the armies and getting it say it would work took a little while and then it crashed.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

You right click on them and then choose the dismount option, I think only certain units can and maybe only for sieges or something like that? Am I right here or can you do it whenever?

[Ignoramus]

Ok, I'll try it out.

[Ignoramus]

Why don't we create a small demo campaign on the Turk's invasion of Malta in 1565? I have just read a very detail boom about it. It would demonstrate this mod's awesomeness with massed canon fire. We have nearly all the Turkish unit models we need. We can use all sorts of European units for the Knights of St. John, as they had members from all over western Europe. It also compensate the fact that the Knight's of St. John's exclusion from the game. The Campaign would have 100 turns, each turn equalling one day. The factions would be: Knight's of St. John, Turks, and the Viceroyalty of Sicily. It would help attract more modders to the team. I'm sure Eastside would be happy to make a small campaign map of Sicily and Malta. I could give him all the details. Also it would allow us to test the Mod for ourselves. What's your opinion?