My one and ONLY gripe about RTW...

**King Azzole** · 08-27-2004, 23:08

Surprised this hasnt been mentioned, maybe it has so im sorry if I missed it. The one thing that was alittle disappointing was the lack of blood and dismemberment. I hope the developers allow an option for parents or people who dont wish to see the realism of combat to turn off or password this feature if they implement it. That way people who like the realism and gore of ancient combat to be able to see this reality that this game lacks.

**ShadesPanther** · 08-27-2004, 23:30

I wouldn't mind blood and dismemberment as long as it was realistic. If I want over the top gore and such I will play Resident Evil and Quake3

**Sjakihata** · 08-27-2004, 23:32

I think it's great there're no gore/blood. It would only attract people not focusing on tactics and eventually boost the current development.

**Jeanne d'arc** · 08-27-2004, 23:45

Wow indeed, the fancy graphics and animations distract u from seeing the obvious things like the blood and gore.They really should add it to the game, it doesent have to be like tons off blood but piles off bloody corpses on the battlefield makes nice desktop wallpapers

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**Mr. Juice** · 08-27-2004, 23:48

Ehh... can't see blood from a bird's eye view. Though I certainly wouldn't mind some 'realisitic' blood and gore, it won't happen.

**Blodrast** · 08-27-2004, 23:49

i also don't believe blood & gore belongs in the TW series as we know them.
If it really is a must for marketing purposes or whatever, fine, as long as it were possible to turn it off.
But I don't think it's a good idea, for several reasons:

- as Sjakihata pointed out, this is too far from the purpose and aim of the game (which may I remind you is strategy and tactics). Blood and gore are fine, but that's not what I'm looking for in this game. There's plenty of other good ones out there, and DOOM3 is right around the corner.
- implementing that would only mean less time is spent on implementing and polishing other aspects of the game; after all, the total amount of time spent developing the game is constant, and putting more time into one section can only happen if you take that time out from another section. I'd very very much rather have the skirmishers working properly, or a decent AI that doesn't charge spears with the general, or is able to use HA in a challenging manner, or that is NOT conquering another province just because that's possible, or that makes decent and meaningful diplomatic decisions, or.... And the list goes on. There's plenty of stuff to fix/improve without spending time on drawing guts and blood spurts on the screen.
- it would reduce the feeling of immersion, being distracting from the main picture.
- it would probably be useless; ok, well this is debatable. Since the aim of the game (as far as the battlefield is concerned, and that's where the gore/blood may appear) is tactics and maneuvers, most people will play the game pretty zoomed out; that is really the only way you can take in the big picture and make decisions. If you're zoomed in close enough to see the blood, then you're probably playing the wrong game anyway.

Well, there's other reasons, but somehow I feel it would be pointless to go too deep on this issue...

Note: please understand that when I say 'you', I mean a generic 'you', not the starter of the topic, or any other one particular person.

**Thoros of Myr** · 08-27-2004, 23:59

Blood is fine but I don't need it to make a game "realistic".

**King Azzole** · 08-28-2004, 00:22

Well I dont know about you but I enjoy realism, and seeing a bunch of guys laying on the ground "playing dead" is detracting from that. Like I said you could have an option to turn it off, for you people who are somehow distracted by it?

Either way im not talking about Kill Bill type blood and gore, more like convincing type blood that the spear my sacred band just rammed through the hastati killed him.

Edit: Another note: Saying that im zooming in means im playing the wrong game is just inane... Jesus think before you post. Your other points were valid till you arrived there...

**Jeanne d'arc** · 08-28-2004, 00:46

Originally Posted by Blodrast

i also don't believe blood & gore belongs in the TW series as we know them.
If it really is a must for marketing purposes or whatever, fine, as long as it were possible to turn it off.
But I don't think it's a good idea, for several reasons:

- as Sjakihata pointed out, this is too far from the purpose and aim of the game (which may I remind you is strategy and tactics). Blood and gore are fine, but that's not what I'm looking for in this game. There's plenty of other good ones out there, and DOOM3 is right around the corner.
- implementing that would only mean less time is spent on implementing and polishing other aspects of the game; after all, the total amount of time spent developing the game is constant, and putting more time into one section can only happen if you take that time out from another section. I'd very very much rather have the skirmishers working properly, or a decent AI that doesn't charge spears with the general, or is able to use HA in a challenging manner, or that is NOT conquering another province just because that's possible, or that makes decent and meaningful diplomatic decisions, or.... And the list goes on. There's plenty of stuff to fix/improve without spending time on drawing guts and blood spurts on the screen.
- it would reduce the feeling of immersion, being distracting from the main picture.
- it would probably be useless; ok, well this is debatable. Since the aim of the game (as far as the battlefield is concerned, and that's where the gore/blood may appear) is tactics and maneuvers, most people will play the game pretty zoomed out; that is really the only way you can take in the big picture and make decisions. If you're zoomed in close enough to see the blood, then you're probably playing the wrong game anyway.

Well, there's other reasons, but somehow I feel it would be pointless to go too deep on this issue...

Note: please understand that when I say 'you', I mean a generic 'you', not the starter of the topic, or any other one particular person.

Yes, strategy and tactics is important in this game but as we can see rtw is not only about strategy its also about formidable graphics and spectacle and thats what makes this game unique, it has everything the modal gamer wants.
If you wanted a game where u couldend see all the fighting close up in every detail u can possibly imagine then your better off playing the older tw series.
I hope you understand that its not all about the tactics and strategy for some people.

**Blodrast** · 08-28-2004, 01:11

@ jeanne d'arc
sure, I understand it's not all about tactics and strategy for everybody.
But that was my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.
And I don't necessarily see a connection between "a beautiful game" and cool graphics and blood & gore. The game is beautiful and the graphics are cool even now, w/out blood, aren't they ?

King Azzole

Edit: Another note: Saying that im zooming in means im playing the wrong game is just inane... Jesus think before you post. Your other points were valid till you arrived there...

Well, that's just my point of view, as I said before. Sure, we're all gonna zoom in several times to see the actual fight, and we're all gonna do that at least a few times for each unit in the game, but the same thing as with the cut scenes goes here as well: they're fun and cool the first few times, but that's it. If you are trying to tell me that you'll be spending most of your time zoomed in to be able to see the blood and gore (because obviously you won't be seeing them from a bird's eye view), then, yes, I believe you're playing the wrong game, because, on the battlefield, you're missing the most important thing that this game has to offer.

And I'd appreciate it if you didn't call my posts "inane". I didn't try to insult you in any way, and I'd like the same amount of respect back from you. If you look at the bottom of my original post, you'll see there is a Note there, specifying that by 'you' I mean a generic 'you', not you personally or anybody else (and it's not been edited, I wrote that when I wrote the post, which should answer your question whether I thought before I posted or not).

**Husar** · 08-28-2004, 01:12

I like watching the units fight in close-ups, as long as there is nothing important to do, I zoom in and watch my units fight, not only in RTW, I did it in STW/MI and MTW/VI aswell. But blood? I think in MTW dead unit-sprites include some blood, but I don´t really care. And keep in mind that CA seems to be aiming at younger players(you know, flaming pigs and so on

) and including blood would get the game rated higher, meaning that the marked would be smaller and that´s not CA´s aim I think.
And normally I don´t really recognize if games have blood or not, so I don´t need it.

**Mr. Juice** · 08-28-2004, 01:17

I find it amusing that flaming pigs are fine, but a little blood is not.

**Lonewarrior** · 08-28-2004, 02:30

Yes more bloody battles.

**DemonArchangel** · 08-28-2004, 02:56

Still, just a little more blood would be nice, like say, severed arteries gushing Soldier of Fortune 2 splattered gore all over the place, while guts pour out torn abdomens, now THAT would be nice. Well, the snow should have some red on it in the demo and blood should disperse and float off in the river at the ford point.