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This may be common knowledge, but I can't recall ever having seen it posted.
Crusades never cooperate with each other. I've seen as many as three Crusades bottled up in Hungary at the same time, all stopped by one Muslim army in Constantinople. None of the Crusades are strong enough to dislodge the Muslims by itself, but any two of them together could.
Likewise, the Hungarians are often allied to at least one of the Crusading factions, but never join in to an attack on Constantinople.
I'm not complaining. It sure makes playing a Muslim faction fun and easy.
Crusades never cooperate with each other. I've seen as many as three Crusades bottled up in Hungary at the same time, all stopped by one Muslim army in Constantinople. None of the Crusades are strong enough to dislodge the Muslims by itself, but any two of them together could.
Likewise, the Hungarians are often allied to at least one of the Crusading factions, but never join in to an attack on Constantinople.
I'm not complaining. It sure makes playing a Muslim faction fun and easy.
Surely if the nations sending the crusades are allied, then they would attack together when they move on constantinople (as they do every turn, i immagine, and choose to retreat).
not so sure, have seen way too many AI crusades starved to death.
nice though as sometimes a civil war erupts and some tasty opportunities come up.
nice though as sometimes a civil war erupts and some tasty opportunities come up.
Incredibly, allied crusades will just sit there. I've never seen a combined attack by two different crusades at the same time. Just last night, a 2,000+ Crusade just sat there while the 800+ Crusade of an ally sat in the same province.
That's quiet strange. Fortunately, I don't play with the Islamic factions much so haven't had to face too many crusades 
Originally Posted by Doug-Thompson:
This may be common knowledge, but I can't recall ever having seen it posted.
Crusades never cooperate with each other. I've seen as many as three Crusades bottled up in Hungary at the same time, all stopped by one Muslim army in Constantinople. None of the Crusades are strong enough to dislodge the Muslims by itself, but any two of them together could.
Likewise, the Hungarians are often allied to at least one of the Crusading factions, but never join in to an attack on Constantinople.
I'm not complaining. It sure makes playing a Muslim faction fun and easy.
LOL. There is an easy explanation for this. Each crusade WANT the destination province for themselves. If one crusade succeeds and the others will disband if they have the same destination/objective province.This may be common knowledge, but I can't recall ever having seen it posted.
Crusades never cooperate with each other. I've seen as many as three Crusades bottled up in Hungary at the same time, all stopped by one Muslim army in Constantinople. None of the Crusades are strong enough to dislodge the Muslims by itself, but any two of them together could.
Likewise, the Hungarians are often allied to at least one of the Crusading factions, but never join in to an attack on Constantinople.
I'm not complaining. It sure makes playing a Muslim faction fun and easy.
Or if you are a Christian crusader yourself and attacked Constantinople first and succeed, the other crusades will effectively end.
Actually I'vw had it happen that if I conquer a province that another faction has launched a crusade for they just show and demand it from me. I refuse and one papaly sanctioned ass whupping later they get the poimt that the province is mine. This usually happens with antioch and edessa, I guess cause there closer.
A couple times I've wanted decent troops fast in early, so I launched a crusade against a place that the HRE was about to conquer with a crusade and then got a bunch of usefull troops the round after.
An HRE crusade broke up after I took a province with both a crusade and a regular force as well, without attacking (I don't recall them attacking).
My big beef with crusades is I like to use them to weaken catholic rivals, but the damned AI won't let me route the crusades through foreign owned ports, yet the HRE routed 6 crusades through flanders. I eventually had to lower zeal to reduce the attrition from the defensive stack I had there and put my best troops in wessex to avoid them getting weakened. Not sure why the computer can do it but I can't.
An HRE crusade broke up after I took a province with both a crusade and a regular force as well, without attacking (I don't recall them attacking).
My big beef with crusades is I like to use them to weaken catholic rivals, but the damned AI won't let me route the crusades through foreign owned ports, yet the HRE routed 6 crusades through flanders. I eventually had to lower zeal to reduce the attrition from the defensive stack I had there and put my best troops in wessex to avoid them getting weakened. Not sure why the computer can do it but I can't.
Originally Posted by CherryDanish:
My big beef with crusades is I like to use them to weaken catholic rivals, but the damned AI won't let me route the crusades through foreign owned ports, yet the HRE routed 6 crusades through flanders....
Not sure why the computer can do it but I can't.
The owner of the port also has to have a ship route to your target.My big beef with crusades is I like to use them to weaken catholic rivals, but the damned AI won't let me route the crusades through foreign owned ports, yet the HRE routed 6 crusades through flanders....
Not sure why the computer can do it but I can't.
mfberg
I really don't use crusades that much, I don't need an excuse to attack other nations, but I have seen a crusade stand there not moving. Sometimes I get bored and take over the province the crusade was gonna take, just for fun.
Originally Posted by Quietus:
LOL. There is an easy explanation for this. Each crusade WANT the destination province for themselves. If one crusade succeeds and the others will disband if they have the same destination/objective province.
No, that wasn't it. One of the Crusades stuck in Hungary was bound for Antioch, another for Edessa.LOL. There is an easy explanation for this. Each crusade WANT the destination province for themselves. If one crusade succeeds and the others will disband if they have the same destination/objective province.
Both had to go through Constantinople to get there, though, since I had the sea lanes blocked.
Originally Posted by Doug-Thompson:
This may be common knowledge, but I can't recall ever having seen it posted.
Crusades never cooperate with each other. I've seen as many as three Crusades bottled up in Hungary at the same time, all stopped by one Muslim army in Constantinople. None of the Crusades are strong enough to dislodge the Muslims by itself, but any two of them together could.
Likewise, the Hungarians are often allied to at least one of the Crusading factions, but never join in to an attack on Constantinople.
I'm not complaining. It sure makes playing a Muslim faction fun and easy.
Not quite. Seen that happen once as the turks sitting in the C. HRE + English crusades. Not to mention that the Byz were eager to retake their capital. All three attacked together (allies IIRC).This may be common knowledge, but I can't recall ever having seen it posted.
Crusades never cooperate with each other. I've seen as many as three Crusades bottled up in Hungary at the same time, all stopped by one Muslim army in Constantinople. None of the Crusades are strong enough to dislodge the Muslims by itself, but any two of them together could.
Likewise, the Hungarians are often allied to at least one of the Crusading factions, but never join in to an attack on Constantinople.
I'm not complaining. It sure makes playing a Muslim faction fun and easy.
Maybe it is because my stack was small enough that all thought it was possible for them to take it for themselves.
Originally Posted by Maeda Toshiie:
Maybe it is because my stack was small enough that all thought it was possible for them to take it for themselves.
That sounds likely.Maybe it is because my stack was small enough that all thought it was possible for them to take it for themselves.
doesn't matter. even if you completely had the province for 10 years, as long as the crusade was launched before you took it, the crusade will tell you to turn it over or face the consequences.
I don't like the AI to tough talk me and usually beat the uppity crusad einto a pulp. if they want it, at least ask nicely!
I don't like the AI to tough talk me and usually beat the uppity crusad einto a pulp. if they want it, at least ask nicely!
Originally Posted by katank:
doesn't matter. even if you completely had the province for 10 years, as long as the crusade was launched before you took it, the crusade will tell you to turn it over or face the consequences.
I don't like the AI to tough talk me and usually beat the uppity crusad einto a pulp. if they want it, at least ask nicely!
They ask rather nicely, at least the one time it happened to me. I let them take it, as my forces were 1k strong and theirs 3k.doesn't matter. even if you completely had the province for 10 years, as long as the crusade was launched before you took it, the crusade will tell you to turn it over or face the consequences.
I don't like the AI to tough talk me and usually beat the uppity crusad einto a pulp. if they want it, at least ask nicely!
When you play as Arabs, for some reason crusades aren't too common and rarely reach your territory.
I`ve found a good way to deflect crusades.When I know a crusade is coming I start sending armies to the entry point into my land.When the crusade reaches the province above my land,I attack with a very small army(sometimes just one unit) Of course they lose,but it keeps them from invading,all the while I build units.After a good 8 turns,the crusade doesn`t have near the amount of men it had to begin with,and since I am building units,I have a large army ready to invade 
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