Everyone needs to remember that this is a demo!!!! n/t

[Nerouin]

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[Colovion]

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[crazyviking03]

???

[King Azzole]

I think he is frustrated like myself by all the whining and complaining ever since the demo came out.

[Meneldil]

And I must agree with him

[crazyviking03]

As I. Also, is anyone else hearing music when they view this thread?

[Quid]

As I. Also, is anyone else hearing music when they view this thread?

crazyviking03

check this thread in the org concerning music blasting...

Sorry, off-topic.

Quid

[Husar]

I am, and I agree with you, the demo is not perfect, and in some preview they said that CA would be still tweaking, at least the cav-charge, so I suggest to go on complaining when I am enjoying RTW and don´t have time to come here and read about things that don´t bother me when I don´t read about them.

[Duke John]

Never thought to see n/t in a topic title here at the Org...

[Basileus]

Never thought to see n/t in a topic title here at the Org...

hhm now im curious to know what n/t means

[Barkhorn1x]

hhm now im curious to know what n/t means

"n/t" is shorthand for No Text. It alerts you to the fact that there is no point in clicking on the topic because the Title says it all.

Barkhorn.

[Duke John]

At some forums it's quite common to type n/t after your topic title. This means no text and thus the only thing you have to say is in the topic title. It is usefull if you have to click on a messagetitle to see its content, so you avoid needing to look at an empty message.

At this board it is completely useless as all messages are already displayed. Plus it's if you only have 1 short sentence to say and still start a new topic then I doubt wether it's really that important. And from the replies it's clear that the topicstarter didn't even get his point across...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The whining about the whining is more annoying than the whining.

[Steppe Merc]

Yeah, perhaps if someone came out and said that the units speed was slower in the game, then we'd stop. But they haven't so it makes sense to let them know our opinon. BTW, a bit more anti-complaining complaining, and this will start to sound like the .com.

[Tomisama]

There’s nothing wrong with this Demo


1. Open the Demo Preferences and change the following settings to read:

DISABLE_ARROW_MARKERS:TRUE

SHOW_BANNERS:FALSE

DESYNC:TRUE

and save it over the origional.


2. Then download the RoDeO v0[1].2zip mod and install it (anywhere).

http://www.totalwarcenter.com/downlo...mods&cat_id=10


3. Create a game on RoDeO using the Tutorial Map (which has a large open field to fight on).

4. Start the Demo and select all of the highest Video Settings for everything, and in Game Settings, be sure you have TotalWar Camera selected.

5. Now practice how draw out formations (left to right, and don’t Group before this step, or you won't be able to to have full control of multi unit positioning).

Once you get the hang of the minor differences in interface, this plays very much like MTW, only more realistic, and looks much better.

[Elmo]

With all due respect, if we have to go through all that then something is wrong with the demo.

[Red Harvest]

The whining about the whining is more annoying than the whining.

Amen. And n/t threads are spam in a discussion forum.

Forums are for people who want to DISCUSS things. If a person posts no text threads, they obviously have no interest in discussion, and would be better off elsewhere. If people want to rebut an argument, great. But calling the forum a bunch of whiners as some like to do is imbecilic.

[Basileus]

Thanks for clearing that up Barkhorn1x and Duke John.

[Longasc]

I think the demo opened the eyes of many.

RTW is without doubt good, but it has its flaws and some new things to get used to.
Some will probably make it into the final product, some not.

The graphics are only good if you zoom in very close, other than that I have my gripes with the out of scale trees and their ability to hide the army from the user, too. :)

I think the strategic part of RTW will be much better, but the tactical part seems to be much more streamlined - for the good or for the better, the truth is somewhere in the middle.


I am not going to think that things will be completely different in the full version!
(This would be a good n/t line hehe)

[Tomisama]

Elm, I think the as-is Demo was intended to wow the “uninitiated” to sell games, and it does that!

For those pros who would like to test the metal for this new game engine, well they know where the mod forums are.

My post was for those in-between vets, who was where I was when I first tried this thing out, “very disappointed”! I thought the serious multiplayer community had been forsaken for the single player campaign flash battlers (all show and no real tactical go).

Now that I have poked around a little, I think that RTW is the best thing since sliced bread

Truly an “awesome” game (don’t want to overuse the word awesome, but there is no other)!



And finally, in my opinion (again) there is nothing wrong with the speed of anything in this game either. Thought so at first also, then when I learned how to play in this more realistic invironment, it became clear that these are the correct speeds, not the ones we are use too.

P.S. If you want better camera height hit F9 (higher that standard TotalWar Camera), then adjust down and angle ;)

[Steppe Merc]

Realistic? No one can run like they do with full armor and weapons. No one.

[CBR]

That people like the new speed...fine by me, just dont use the realism argument plz

The marching speed for both MTW and RTW is 100 meters/minute. Now thats a nice speed for troops in marching column on a road but not when off road while trying to maintain a combat formation. But I dont mind that as its a game.

This might be a demo but some of us are concerned about the effect of a 50% increase in running speed combined with a 25% increase in units to control. Videos released seems to show similar speed so I expect its more or less final.


CBR

[Tomisama]

On a daily basis the Roman era soldiers lived in their basically light armor, and regularly carried in the neighborhood of 60 to 70 pounds in tools, armor, and rations. They lived their whole life on foot, and striped to their fighting necessities could probably have sustained a very lively clip, even over rough terrain. Add to this the adrenalin push of the possibility of an extremely painful death, and it just might all add up.

Remember these were boys (quite literally) who had never been to Berger King.

[CBR]

Well they did not do anything spectacular compared to other armies through history.

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/...hing/rates.doc

http://www.totalwar.com/community/history.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Orac...arch-move.html


CBR

[King Azzole]

I think the whining about the whining about the whining is REALLY annoying

[Tomisama]

Good work CBR!

Very informative.

But marching (fully loaded) from camp to camp in a baggage train procession, and deployment on a field for battle; apples and oranges!

All I really know is what I see. Step for step, marching, double time, and charge, all viewed up close and personal, all looks very realistic to me. May just be the eye of the beholder?

I won’t pursue this anymore, but would like to hear any further comments

[Puzz3D]

Those sites CBR referenced indicate approximately 2.8 miles per hour for marching speed of Roman armies. The marching speed in MTW and RTW is 3.7 miles per hour which is faster than normal.

CA uses historical accuracy arguments to counter criticism of gameplay, and gameplay arguments to counter criticism of historical accuracy. I remember longjohn telling me that the reason he wouldn't make cavalry 10% faster in MTW was because historically cav ran at less than 15 miles per hour. Now in RTW cav is running at 22 miles per hour. What happened to the historical argument? After refusing to increase cav speed by 10% in MTW, he increases it by 50% in RTW.

[CBR]

I won’t pursue this anymore, but would like to hear any further comments

Ok some comments then

The basic Roman march speed was 100 steps/minute and quick march was 120 steps/minute. Being loaded up with equipment does not effect such marching speeds although fatigue will be greater. You can expect troops to march for hours with 100 steps/minute and highly trained can do it even faster as the links also showed.

A step/pace has been pretty much standard through the ages and is 2.5 feet (76 centimeters) but a step will be bigger if marching at very high rates (about 3 feet/91 centimeters)

Today US Marines are marching 120 steps/minute and double quick march at 180 steps/minute. Thats 91 meters/minute and 165 meters/minute. British troops before WW2 used the same except the step for double quick march were 40 inches so they did 180 meters/minute.

US Civil War infantry was to advance towards the enemy position at 110 steps and then 165 steps or greater when under fire. Only going into a run the last few yards.


I checked some Princepes and they did 120 steps/minute that should give 90 meters/minute but is actually 100 meters so they have nice long steps

So troops are always on quick march in the game which isnt that realistic. Their running speed is 250 meters/minute and thats really something no unit would be doing as they have to keep order in the formation and it would tire men quickly. Armor and shields also makes very fast movement rates difficult.

But the actual distance travelled over time is not that important for the game, its more the difference between march and double quick march. Even if we give the Romans the benefit of the doubt (and turn them all into US marines) and assume they can do 180 steps that would still only be x 1.8 the marching speed.

IMO the x 1.66 increase we had in MTW is more realistic than the x 2.5 we have in RTW demo.

CBR

[Duke John]

Great info, CBR! Do you perhaps also have info about realistic walking/running speed of cavalry? Preferable medieval ones

[Bob the Insane]

Back to the subject of this thread... I don't really understand the point being made, yes this is a demo, it is a demo of the piece of software they are releasing...

Now I don't see "Beta" writen anywhere nor any disclaimer stating that the game is only 80% complete and not representative of the final product or whatever so forgive me for assuming that what is in the demo is what we are getting...

Personally I don't remember any great difference in what was in the MTW demo and what we got in the final game (other than all the campaign map stuff obviously.. ).

P.S. Personally I liked the demo...