Could the British Empire have surrvived?

[Duke Malcolm]

Their boss should be the monarch, otherwise it sounds fandabidozie

[fenir]

This is actually a topic that i find lots of people, espeically in New Zealand and Australia, are talking about today.

But of course there is two huge problems.
1. Politicians. You won't get them to give up there greed.

2. The So called Social Elite. Those that have the opinion they are the upper tier of soceity in Australia and New Zealand for example.

But it is surprising, just how many people right across the age groups want the reformation, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zeaand.

Those 4 Countries would have considerable, Economic and Political Clout. Not to mention a very sizeable Military one.
All 4 countries, have Cultural, and Ethnic (Anglo-Celtic) ties.

I would think it would be based on the following, 9 States of Canada, 7 States in Australia, New Zealand 1 State, 1 Scotland, 1 England, 1 Nth Ireland.
Total.....20 states, and ~120 million Population. woot fun time.

Head of State; Monarch.
Head of Imperial Government; Prime Minister. ( in imperial Terms, Federal is Imperial.)
(Two Houses; 1 representitive; 1 upper house of 100, 5 members for each state.)
Head of Royal (state) Government; Premier
Single House of representitives.

It also makes more sense, than being, little fish in a pond of sharks.

But yes I think it's a good idea.

Oh well that was fun.

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[Papewaio]

Can kiss my dual Australian-New Zealand Citizen butt before I have Britain rule us again.

They have an inbred royal family (which is still techically our head of state... while technically my appendix is an organ it ain't useful).

They cannot match either New Zealand or Australia in sporting prowess.

When push came to shove in WWII Britain took as many troops as possible and let the 3rd wave of recruits fight it out with the Japanese.

And Australia may speak English but the population is not English.



A republic with equal oppourtunity for any citizen to serve as the head may be a different story...

[BDC]

Can kiss my dual Australian-New Zealand Citizen butt before I have Britain rule us again.

They have an inbred royal family (which is still techically our head of state... while technically my appendix is an organ it ain't useful).

They cannot match either New Zealand or Australia in sporting prowess.

When push came to shove in WWII Britain took as many troops as possible and let the 3rd wave of recruits fight it out with the Japanese.

And Australia may speak English but the population is not English.



A republic with equal oppourtunity for any citizen to serve as the head may be a different story...

Nah, you would just end up with a spoilt brat like Bush. Probably as inbred as the Windsors too. At least they are trained to sit there and be polite. They can't quit either.

[Stefan the Berserker]

Can kiss my dual Australian-New Zealand Citizen butt before I have Britain rule us again.

They have an inbred royal family (which is still techically our head of state... while technically my appendix is an organ it ain't useful).

They cannot match either New Zealand or Australia in sporting prowess.

When push came to shove in WWII Britain took as many troops as possible and let the 3rd wave of recruits fight it out with the Japanese.

And Australia may speak English but the population is not English.



A republic with equal oppourtunity for any citizen to serve as the head may be a different story...

Okay, that's the other side, but the Arguments for a union between Australia and New Zealand stragely remember me on that topic here...

Just to calculate the Royal Federation's Power, independently from the Way it is acieved. -> ->

Population: 112,6 Million
Econnomy (BSP): 2547,4 Billion Us$
Militery: 161 150 Army / 84 300 Airforce / 67 830 Navy / 313 280 Total
Currency: 1 Pound = 100 Pence = 1,56 € / or / 1 € = 100 Cent

I simply added the Data of the Member-Countries from dtv "Jahrbuch 2003". The Union of these Nations (re)creates a Worldpower, but still jet not as powerful as the USA. To improve the Economy, the whole Royal Federation should joinup the EU and Introduce the Euro-Currency. By keeping close Friendship with France and Germany through the EU there'll be strong supporters which allow the Federation to get equal in Power to the USA.

Just for fun I produced a Flag, it shows the Unionjack and for Crowns for the four Dominions. Put it in your Signature, or do somewhat if you like...

[thrashaholic]

I think it's an excellent idea, it'd certainly give the Yanks a shock . I also think it could potentially work very well if a few specific details were ironed out, like how much of an independant identity each of the participating 'nations' could keep, which I think could be achieved through varying levels of government. Of course, to keep everyone happy that this wasn't just another British Empire, there would have to be major government buildings in all the participating countries, but yes... I think it could work if there was a large enough political impotus.

It certainly has more chance of working as a unified state than the EU...

[Stefan the Berserker]

It certainly has more chance of working as a unified state than the EU...

The European Union is not supposed to become a Nation by its creators, it is made up as a Confederation to boost its larger Member's Power and secure Peace In Europe but nothing higher than that. The political Elite would never give any realistic power to it.

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The new Worldorder of my Dreams, probably never getting true:

The Royal Federation is formed and Austria unifies with Germany (Last german-HrE Dukeship left outside the federal Republic). The European Union forms up a Militery-Alliance. Germany, RF and France sign up the "Euro-Dreibund" (Euro-triplealliance) in which they endup all open arguments and promise to cooperate in their foreign policy (Similar pacts were the Entente or the historical "Dreibund" between Germany, Austria and Italy). In Result the "Gleichgewicht der Mächte" (Balance of Power) Metternich intended is restored within the global politics unless the USA will no longer keep their "dominance".

Come on, sign the Euro-Triple!

[Duke Malcolm]

The Flag should be the Union Flag, with something like the UN symbol in the middle, but with the British Isles, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

The Imperial Government -

States = Canada, Newfoundland, 6 Australian Territories, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, That other Canadian one, can't remember it though, and Quebec.
Regions = Regions existing in member countries

1) Imperial Council (special commitee of Imperial Government)
Monarch as head
Premiers of each of the states elected parliaments, or representative.
Lord Chancellor.
Representative of Churches.

2) Based on House of Lords.
Highest Court in Federation
Imperial Council (excluding Monarch)
Presided by (appointed) Lord Chancellor
26 Bishops, appointed from existing bishops and equivalents from states by Church(es).
2 Hereditary Royal (Imperial) office holders (Lord Great Chamberlain, Earl Marshal).
14 Hereditary elected office holders.
75 other Hereditary Peers, appointed from each of the states by Imperial Council
570 elected Lords, as representatives of Regions of States. Elections every 5 years.

[thrashaholic]

Just a quick thought, but perhaps the Republic of Ireland could also be in on the deal, after all, they share a language and are as similar in culture as anyone else in this Union.

I suppose the population might not particularly like the idea of union with Britain again, but I can't think they'd dislike it anymore than the old colonies, and so long as all the nations were given equal power I can't see how any could oppose a union that would benefit all parties considerably.

[Accounting Troll]

[QUOTE=Papewaio]Can kiss my dual Australian-New Zealand Citizen butt before I have Britain rule us again.

They have an inbred royal family (which is still techically our head of state... while technically my appendix is an organ it ain't useful).

They cannot match either New Zealand or Australia in sporting prowess.

When push came to shove in WWII Britain took as many troops as possible and let the 3rd wave of recruits fight it out with the Japanese.
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At least we can be sure that British athletes don't take performance enhancing drugs

Maybe we should send out Prince Andrew as an Imperial Viceroy whenever we want to provoke a rebellion

[ShadesPanther]

I highly doubt the ROI would want to be part of Britain or any state with Britain as a mjor player (They didn't join NATO because Britain was in it ). This is also a country that has channels and programmes on TV completely in Gaelic. The funny part is about 80% of the population dont speak it and quite a few have no idea what's going on.

[Duke Malcolm]

Scotland only gets 2 hours of Gaelic programmes a week, at least, but it's all subtitled.

[Papewaio]

[QUOTE=Accounting Troll
At least we can be sure that British athletes don't take performance enhancing drugs

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At least we bother to find and prosecute those who do... howsmart are British scientists that they cannot outsmart athletes?

[Papewaio]

I would support Australia and New Zealand joining the USA before France and Germany.

France... WWII we supplied the Mouse... 40 years later they repay us by a terrorist attack against the Rainbow Warrior.

Germany... nothing against them accept they are bed mates with the French and no way do I want to support any form of hegmony with Germany in a leading role...


Personally I would rather have independent countries and free trade while looking at tying in social reforms... free trade ain't really free when one country is polluting and using sweatshops etc...

[fenir]

Papewaio
Uk Does not mean English. The English are just one Group of Anglo-Celtic Peoples, like the Irish, and Scottish.

And they wouldn't be ruling anyone, we all would rule. It's called Democracy

They have an inbred royal family (which is still techically our head of state... while technically my appendix is an organ it ain't useful).

Then I think you need to read up on the powers of government. All three levels and then the monarchs powers, then the history of the royal family. And then your appendix.

They cannot match either New Zealand or Australia in sporting prowess.

Didn't the English Beat the wallabies for the Rugby World cup? And they did it in Australia? And they beat the All Blacks last year at home for the first time in 30 years.
True they didn't match us, they beat us. Omg......thats means .........they are better than us.
Neither NZ /Aus can match the UK for Soccer. Or money in Sport.
Mind u, not many countries spend so much per captia on there sportmen and woman like Australia does. Simply to win a little bit of silverware. It's like having the USSR Socialist party kicking back it's heels on the gold coast again. ( sorry but in my opinion, those billions could be better spent helping the people of Australia instead of stinkin medals for feel good frecks).

NZ is a 5th of Aus size, and only got 2 gold? and no Budget for there sports people.
Bahamas got 2 Gold too......and only has 300k people, no budget and no money at all.

Personally I would rather have independent countries and free trade while looking at tying in social reforms... free trade ain't really free when one country is polluting and using sweatshops etc.

Like Australia Does, yes very true. Australia should be kept out until they clean their act up perhaps?
(water is starting to look deep......)

When push came to shove in WWII Britain took as many troops as possible and let the 3rd wave of recruits fight it out with the Japanese.

Don't go in water over your head, because that statement is bullocks.
Check your last ww2 statement in this forum in the other thread.
NOTE:Thousands of English, Irish and Scottish died defending NZ/Aus.
Don't even tempt me!

France was welcome to the Rainbow wimpet, just not in our bloody harbour.

As for a republic?
I see no greater source of political corruption. And the true meaning of the political term of oligopoly laid down in aristotle (sp, i know, i am to tired to care). The USA and France are to me a classic examples.

Join the USA? Not on your life! I have nothing against them, I have lots of friends and family there, but I would never Join them.

The Republic of Ireland, I think all of us would agree, while there would be only a slim chance of them joining, we would always leave the door open for them, they are after all a part of us, they are still family.


The Flag, I agree with King Mal.

The Flag is the Union Jack. It has the three Crosses on it. It's our whole History.


But Papewaio, you certainly upset me by your comments.
Your original comments, came across as.....almost hatred. Then you give party political broadcast rubbish to justify you stand.
Why?

Whats wrong with 4 countries that all have almost the same people, and certainly the same culture and language, shouldn't join up?
No one group would be ruling, we would all be as one. So the prime Minister could come from England, Scotland, Nth Ireland, NSW, NZ, NS, NF, Quebec, BC, or even tasmania(god help us).




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