Newbie Question

**Placid Tramp** · 09-14-2004, 10:48

You might also want to make sure that the unit is in that province at the start of the turn otherwise it won't work.

**King Edward** · 09-14-2004, 10:53

I think Oct has coverd your Queries! welcome to the Org guys!

**Adrian II** · 09-14-2004, 12:13

Welcome Bobby! One more thing. Don't forget you can retrain units without losing their upgrades even if the retraining province itself doesn't provide those upgrades. So you don't need to schlepp your depleted units all the way back to the province with highest upgrade.

**Sinner** · 09-14-2004, 15:16

Another way to exploit that feature - weapon/armour/morale upgrades tracked at unit level, not individually - is to reinforce a depleted high-tech unit with one that has lesser upgrades, with the men moved into the higher-tech unit automatically receiving the upgrades.

eg. I have a unit of 20 Billmen with gold weapon & armour upgrades and another of 50 Billmen with silver weapon & armour upgrades. I add the latter unit to the former, leaving me with 60 gold upgraded Billmen & 10 silver upgraded Billmen.

This is a useful way to keep your best units on the frontline, sending back lesser units to homebase for rebuilding, receiving the higher upgrades as they do so as a side benefit.

Valour is tracked individually, with the unit average displayed, so in the above example if the 20 gold-upgraded Billmen were valour 5 and the silver-upgraded Billmen valour 2, after the merge you'd have a unit of 60 gold-upgraded troops with an average valour of 3 (although the 20 would still be valour 5 and the 40 valour 2).

**octavian** · 09-15-2004, 00:59

Originally Posted by Sinner

Valour is tracked individually, with the unit average displayed, so in the above example if the 20 gold-upgraded Billmen were valour 5 and the silver-upgraded Billmen valour 2, after the merge you'd have a unit of 60 gold-upgraded troops with an average valour of 3 (although the 20 would still be valour 5 and the 40 valour 2).

aye, i believe ichi posted a very comprehensive (even a bunch of screenies) post about that bug... and how to exploit it

oh yes, and welcome to the org bobby

**Bobby Budds** · 09-15-2004, 02:36

awesome, thanks alot guys. I've been trying to figure this out on my own, but i was just newbin it. Thanks for the quick answers!

**Sinner** · 09-15-2004, 10:23

Originally Posted by octavian

aye, i believe ichi posted a very comprehensive (even a bunch of screenies) post about that bug...

I wouldn't call it a bug, it's just a generally poorly understood/recognized/explained whatever feature of the game. As I recall STW tracked weapon and armour upgrades individually as well, but I guess they decided to simplify the savefile by switching to unit tracking for those. Presumably the justification is that you can recover equipment from dead troops and issue it to the new recruits - just scrub off the blood and splintered bone & tell them to overlook the big hole in the center of the cuirass!

**octavian** · 09-15-2004, 03:39

Originally Posted by AdrianII

Welcome Bobby! One more thing. Don't forget you can retrain units without losing their upgrades even if the retraining province itself doesn't provide those upgrades. So you don't need to schlepp your depleted units all the way back to the province with highest upgrade.

another very very good point that i forgot to mention