Nuances of Retraining Valour Units. Questions inside.

[Medieval Assassin]

Tracked for each man, You never lose valour, The number is just the avg. So if the spearmen were 4 and 50% of the men, and you retrained, they would become 2 with 100% of the men, however 50% of those men are 4.
Its been suspected that the greens are placed at the back of the formation, to help flanking be so effective... I 'unno.

[Oaty]

Valour is tracked individually and the 1 I love the most is you have 100 feudal sergeants @ V1. Never participated in the melee combat but lost just 1 man to archers. Losing that 1 man brought the average valour up and they are now a valour 2 unit.

As far as where they get placed, I think the unit leader is always # 1 and that is why he is always at the center. I'm guessing since you are merging in 50 guys in with that unit, the original 50 maintain there 1-50 #s or it could be more complicated


And heres how I think it really works

Since the original inception of this unit

I'll use a simplified graph to show what I'm getting at

-----------------Survivors --------deceased
Men numbered ---1-5 lived --------6-10 died
-----------------11-15 lived-------16-20 died
-----------------21-25 -----------26-30 died
-----------------31-35------------36-40
-----------------41-45------------46-50

I'm not going to do the last 50 but I'm pretty sure you can see the point I'm getting at

My guess is they always maintain what # they were in there ranks and the new recruits take the open numbered slots as it has been stated that guy # 10 will always be in the # 10 slot everytime he's on the battlefield. So guy # 5 that is still a survivor will keep his spot at the front but guy # 95 will be all the way at the back with veterans and recruits intermingled in front of him.

Now when it comes to merging I think the original unit keeps its #'s and the unit being put into the stack gets reassigned new #'s and it could even be that guy # 1 will take the first available open slot or it could be he gets a random # thats open in the ranks.

Anyways I think the only way to be positive on this is to hope a dev answers it himself.

Edit: I had to edit the little minny graph because for some reason when you put in more than 1 space the forum program deletes all spaces but 1

[Sociopsychoactive]

I don't think thats the case oaty.

If you have a full strength unit, and they start getting picked off by arrow fire while still standing still in formation, and the people at the front are the ones dying, then those behind them will move forward to fill the gaps. I'm prertty sure next time you field that unit, those who moved forward as replacements will still be in the forward position.

So, if each man gets a number, then it's from 1-100, and if no' 2 gets killed, everyone shifts one number along, so it;s then 1-99. It isn;t necessarily no' 3 thats becomes no' 2, but they don't keep their numbers and therefore positions because they always move along to form the formation, and if they are numbered the numbers must change to reflect that.

Still not sure on the answer tho.

[Oaty]

Hey Socio I can quickly find if your right or I am. Hopefully the log files has some statisrics in there and if guy # 3 is missing then that will answer all. Well you are right Socio never even thought of the log files. But apparently if guy # 50 dies someone takes his place and guy # 60 is no more.

[Colovion]

So maybe the new valour units do go to the back and they all shuffle forwards?

[Medieval Assassin]

Its been thought to be like that, to maximize charge, and when you get flanked, the greens cant hold up as well...

[Colovion]

Yeah that makes sense. I wonder if that's the case in RTW.

It really doesn't matter - it's just one of those stupid things that I was wondering while thinking about the game at work.