Finally got KOTOR

[Fragony]

This game is really great, it may very well be the best rpg I have played so far. Beautifull controls, beautifull voiceacting and interesting, well written characters. I neglected this game for some reason but I am glad I bit the bullet. Best rpg perhaps? Certainly the best Star wars game I played since the first dark forces, it really has this same special star-wars mood that brings a tear to my eye because it makes me feel like I did when I was a kid playing with Star-wars dolls, it is that good. It brings back memories of being angry with my parents because I didn't get a pet baby-Rancor for my birthday (cheap bastards). As you can see I really like this game, if you like either rpg or Starwars or both you can not go wrong really.

[The Tuffen]

KOTOR is a great game. I can't wait for the sequel that should be coming out soonish

[DisruptorX]

I picked Kotor up on a whim ealier this year, and it was the most enjoyable rpg i've played since Morrowind. Not the best rpg ever, too linear, but certainly up there. I would recommend it to anyone who enjoys rpg games at all.

[saundersag]

I loved this game aind was addicted to it for quite awhile. Unfortunalty i had a bad experience, i was on the final boss i had got so far. It was just me and Malak. However i kept losing. I resorted to looking in a startegy guide and found out that to beat him i needed an offensive force power. However i tried to be a good jedi and so i had not got any. So it was impossible for me too beat him. The lesson of this tale, succumb to the dark side the light is just small and puny.

[Somebody Else]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

No need to go dark. Just mine the place up before you trigger him. Oh, and throwing your glowstick at the comatose jedi helps.

Or you could just be a beast and lay into him mano a mano. Or both. Or none - and run away!

[DisruptorX]

Yea, use saber toss, its a neutral power. I had no problems beating him as light.

[The Tuffen]

He proved harder when i was a light side. When i went back though as a dark side character i beat him easily.

[DisruptorX]

There is no inherent difficulty based upon alignment. He was harder for me as dark, because my dark side character was a "wizard", whilst my light side char was a "fighter".

[Ja'chyra]

I got it about three weeks ago and played it about 4 times, I think if it was any better it would be pants, won't be playing it again

[Navaros]

i found KOTOR to be a mediocre game

IMO it's not horrible, but it's certainly not great either

[Steppe Merc]

I loved it, and can't wait for the next one. I think it was my first pure RPG, and I really got into it. Brilliant.

[Sir Moody]

just use plasma grenades and lots of them the big bad isnt so bad then and ANY fool can lob grenades

a good game but not the Best RPG of all time there are a few that top it - Planescape Torment for one (Graphics arnt everything gentlemen)

while its NPC interation is good some of the characters are rather plain and some of the plot twists in KOTOR are very very predictable call me strange if yo uwill but i dont like predicting how the game will play out as im going through it

[DisruptorX]

a good game but not the Best RPG of all time there are a few that top it - Planescape Torment for one (Graphics arnt everything gentlemen)

Are you somehow insinuating that planescape has bad graphics?

[Navaros]

KOTOR has bad graphics IMO

the only good part of the graphics in KOTOR are the textures and use of anti-aliasing and antistropic filtering

however, the 3D character models in KOTOR do not look right. they are not "filled-out" properly. it's looks like they're "slightly-deflated balloon people" or something. BioWare has never been too good at 3D graphics, and KOTOR did not improve that at all.

not to mention the fact that most of the NPCs look exactly the same as the previous NPCs in the game who had different names.

[Papewaio]

It was like an XBox version of NWN

[Phatose]

I thought the models looked just fine. Animated well too. And to their credit, Bioware at least attempted to make basic combat look interesting. They apparently forgot that most people would be using feats though, which seriously limited it's effectiveness - but it's still a good step. Hopefully in KotOR2, feats will be given the same level of animation - especially on the victim's side- that basic attacks did in KotOR1, and we can finally leave the silly 'you stand still while I slash' "combat" animations prevalent in so many RPGs.

Visually it was great. Plotwise...well, it wasn't anything to write home about, except for that it's Star Wars and it doesn't suck. But, considering how many sucky Star Wars games are out there - and especially considering that the recent Star Wars movies have sucked too - that's something, at least. Some of the dialogue was very entertaining, but honestly I was highly annoyed by the number of times where any dialog choice you made got the exact same response. Still, it was a console RPG which was reminscient of PC stylings, which is always good.

The actually gameplay was passable. Nothing special, it is just d20 rules afterall, but it doesn't have an interface which gets in the way, the the d20 rules are generally pretty well done.


If it wasn't a star wars game, I'd probably call it just above average. But it is a star wars game, and setting counts. I've seen entirely too many forgotten realms games for one lifetime, entirely too many 'original' worlds that are essentially tolkien ripoffs, and entirely too many japanese rpgs where the worlds just aren't interesting for it not to count. And that's enough to tip it from above average to great in my book.

[Sir Moody]

Are you somehow insinuating that planescape has bad graphics?

well yes when compared to KOTOR but the good thing about planescape is it doesnt need graphics its plot is second to none its characters are incredible complex and well fleshed out and the World its set in is completely unique this is what makes it so great

[econ21]

Whoa, lots of lukewarm feedback on this game. I see it among as one of the best (few?) in the Fallout/Baldur's Gate tradition of epic CRPGs. Strong underlying story arc, interesting side quests, vivid NPCs, lots of stats n stuff, decent tactical combat... Voice acting and visuals very good for a CRPG. Don't know what more CRPGers want...

[DisruptorX]

Don't listen to the people who claim that Kotor has bad graphics, that is the most asinine thing I have ever heard, and completely irrelevant. If you are playing an rpg for graphics, you are playing it for the wrong reason. But aside from that, Kotor has stunning graphics, some of the best out there, they are so good that I will have to say that those who claim otherwise are lying.

[Slyspy]

Quite right. What are Total War fans doing bitching about minor graphical faults? So many double standards! The game played well, looked good and sounded fine. However plot wise it was average and only the star wars background saved it. Also the final battle was poor and easily won.

[econ21]

I suspect opinions on plot and difficulty are very subjective.

I found the combat throughout the game a little unchallenging compared to, say, Baldurs Gate or Fallout (i.e. I died less). But it was not too bad. The last battle was just right for me - I died a couple of times before cracking it. I did not use grenades or anything out of character, just tried light sabering with a pretty optimised guardian. I knew about the trick requiring particular force powers, but even so Malak was pretty tough. I suspect (fear?) KOTOR2 will ramp up the difficulty a bit (seems to be a trend with sequels).

I've got to say, I found the plot first-rate. Some people have said it was better than most Star Wars movies and I've got to agree. It had a kind of Empire strikes back feel to it, which was the only one of the films I really rate. Even though the twist had been spoilt for me, my jaw still hit the ground when the revealing cut scene was played - it was just done so well. Racing around for star charts did nothing for me, I admit, but Bioware seems to like that kind of thing (NWN OC Chapter 1, anyone?). Personally, I think Bioware could benefit from a little more (Japanese RPG style) linearity in their games - for example, the Spellhold-Underdark story arc in BG2 was excellent. However, I know I am in a minority and CRPGers seem to like non-linearity.

[Navaros]

i think some of you guys are unaware of what a modern 3D character which was made by a true 3D professional looks like.

without having this awareness, one might think that KOTOR's graphics are good

with this awareness, however, it becomes quite clear that the 3D models in KOTOR are very sub-par

[Fragony]

i think some of you guys are unaware of what a modern 3D character which was made by a true 3D professional looks like.

without having this awareness, one might think that KOTOR's graphics are good

with this awareness, however, it becomes quite clear that the 3D models in KOTOR are very sub-par

Graphics are not why I like rpg games, but I have to admit that I am very easy to please when it comes to visuals.

[Phatose]

i think some of you guys are unaware of what a modern 3D character which was made by a true 3D professional looks like.

without having this awareness, one might think that KOTOR's graphics are good

with this awareness, however, it becomes quite clear that the 3D models in KOTOR are very sub-par

So clue us in then. A link or comparison would be handy, especially one accompanied by a commentary on feasibility in an engine which has to render as much as KotOR does.

[DisruptorX]

i think some of you guys are unaware of what a modern 3D character which was made by a true 3D professional looks like.

without having this awareness, one might think that KOTOR's graphics are good

with this awareness, however, it becomes quite clear that the 3D models in KOTOR are very sub-par

That is a ridiculous argument.

Here is the real standard by which games are judged: How good they look. Kotor looks amazing. It is one of the best looking video games out there. I honestly don't understand how you can claim it looks bad. What are you comparing it to?

Not to mention that argument is completely irrelevant. I don't play games for their graphics. Example: Medieval: Total War, which uses obsolete sprites and primitive 3d.

[Sir Moody]

if you want to STRICTLY compare graphics compre to games such as Far Cry and Doom 3 where KOTOR comes outbadly

BUT ull notice both far cry and doom 3 are 3d shooters where graphics are always pushing where as a RPG DOESNT need to be tip top - the Graphics in most RPGs are Average and always will be just like the Graphics in most RTS - you dont buy a RPG to look at the prety monsters you buy it to play a story (something most 3d shooters couldnt find with a barge pole)

[Basileus]

One of the best games from last year, im preety sure the KOTOR2 wont be as good as the first mostly because its not bioware thats making it..who knows i might be wrong heh

[DisruptorX]

One of the best games from last year, im preety sure the KOTOR2 wont be as good as the first mostly because its not bioware thats making it..who knows i might be wrong heh

It is being made by Obsidian entertainment which = a number of people from black ilse. I.E. a company that was ten times better than bioware.

[Slyspy]

I still say the plot was a little lame. The "twist" was obvious from the very beginning, stealing bits as it did from Star Wars, Planescape and so many other sources.

[DisruptorX]

I still say the plot was a little lame. The "twist" was obvious from the very beginning, stealing bits as it did from Star Wars, Planescape and so many other sources.

I didn't think the plot twist was obvious at all. I didn't see it coming, but then, no one told me there was one to begin with.