The BIG (american) RTW feedback thread!

[Colovion]

I'm actually Canadian...

[Myrddraal]

I want to see to find out more about the game, but I don't want to see because it will make me want the game even more...

*tears out his hair in desperation*

[Plantagenet]

I've purposely avoided reading anything about RTW for months because I wanted it to be a surprise. No previews, no screenshots, and especially no demos. Well, since its now upon us and I've just built a new system, I started reading this morning...

WTF is this about no provinces?! Why not? These are the people who INVENTED "provinces" for God's sake! If they're not appropriate here, then in what game are they? After seeing CA mangle the map of medieval Europe (a Google search will produce a more accurate map in 30 seconds), I thought "at least they won't have that problem for Rome" since province maps of the Empire are as easy to find as a cop when you don't need one.

If you want it based on cities instead, then make an ancient GREEK game. Their history revolved around city-states. This is Rome. Their empire consisted of territorial subdivisions called PROVINCES, for which they even coined a new term: PROVINCES.

If I wanted one big sloppy borderless spread of a map, I'd play Lords of the Realm III, Age of Empires, or any of the other "historical" games I've deemed too stupid to pay for. One of the reasons I loved STW & MTW was that they were refreshing and unlike the usual crap thats all too common in this genre. So why ruin it now?

[Barkhorn1x]

WTF is this about no provinces?! Why not?

You've not read enough, dude. There are provinces - and there is 1 city per province. See this link;
http://www.totalwar.com/community/provmap.htm

BTW, you're in the wrong thread.

Barkhorn.

[Barkhorn1x]

As a typical "Ugly American" who is damn proud to get the game first - because we can - I will be happy to give information once I've had a chance to play a bit.

I'll be back.

Barkhorn.

[Colovion]

I've purposely avoided reading anything about RTW for months because I wanted it to be a surprise. No previews, no screenshots, and especially no demos. Well, since its now upon us and I've just built a new system, I started reading this morning...

WTF is this about no provinces?! Why not? These are the people who INVENTED "provinces" for God's sake! If they're not appropriate here, then in what game are they? After seeing CA mangle the map of medieval Europe (a Google search will produce a more accurate map in 30 seconds), I thought "at least they won't have that problem for Rome" since province maps of the Empire are as easy to find as a cop when you don't need one.

If you want it based on cities instead, then make an ancient GREEK game. Their history revolved around city-states. This is Rome. Their empire consisted of territorial subdivisions called PROVINCES, for which they even coined a new term: PROVINCES.

If I wanted one big sloppy borderless spread of a map, I'd play Lords of the Realm III, Age of Empires, or any of the other "historical" games I've deemed too stupid to pay for. One of the reasons I loved STW & MTW was that they were refreshing and unlike the usual crap thats all too common in this genre. So why ruin it now?

easy cowboy - there are Provinces, but not like the Risk Styled ones in MTW - they're more realistic.

You seem to think that borderless spreads of the map are not historic - but since when if you invade someone's territory to they say "oh, they're coming over from Flanders - my army just so happens to be ready to fight!" and if two armies invaded that Province it also seems that all the armies find the same patch of ground to fight for.

As you can see I like the way the new system is setup.

[crazyviking03]

As with the MTW and VI, I will by Rome on the first day it is in stores. I will hopefully be able to pull myself away from the game to do some posting here eventually!

[Plantagenet]

easy cowboy - there are Provinces, but not like the Risk Styled ones in MTW - they're more realistic.

You seem to think that borderless spreads of the map are not historic - but since when if you invade someone's territory to they say "oh, they're coming over from Flanders - my army just so happens to be ready to fight!" and if two armies invaded that Province it also seems that all the armies find the same patch of ground to fight for.

As you can see I like the way the new system is setup.

Well, since the "borderless spreads" you mention are usually bordered by a big square or magnification box that arbitrarily cuts them off (LoTR3), no, I'm not fond of them. Every game I've ever seen like that sucked. The province system used by games like STW and EU2 is much better IMO as long as the game isn't RTS.

But thanks to yourself and Barkhorn, I see I had the wrong impression anyway (or maybe just read the wrong preview)! I'm looking at the Province Profiles now (thanks for the link!), and am more eager than ever to get my hands on RTW...I've never been so happy to be proven wrong!

[Colovion]

yeah - I understand that it can be annoying to have such borderless territories. I guess it depends on how they implimented it. In the Civilization games it was setup rather well and I could work with that pretty well. I've heard that the campaign map plays a lot like Civ3 (with some differences of course). I guess I have grown up with the Civilization Series so to me this isn't too big of a change (and a welcome one at that).

[Silver Rusher]

Help me out here, in GMT does the game actually come out today or tomorrow?

[Ldvs]

Ranging from GMT -4 to GMT -8 for North America.
The game is shipped today Silver, not sold yet.