Quote Originally Posted by Morindin
1. I have NEVER seen a unit being swept off the field in 6 seconds in RTW. I would challange you to provide a replay of this. I have left Histari fighting Gaul Warbands and come back minutes later to find them still slogging it out.

How many lines of battle in Andrianople, how many men? how good were the generals? Apples to Oranges. By the same account do you really think a battle comprimised of one line and a few hundred men would last all day? I really doubt it.
Have you actually been in a war? I dont know about you, but I cant imagine a fight between two light infantry units going on for very long myself, with all the other crap happening.
The more defence the unit has the longer the battles. This is like bitching in the MTW thread because fights are two quick between highland clansmen. When people have played the campaign right through and are experiancing "20 second fights" with large armies of quality troops then Ill listen.


2. Infact, in RTW, with two good generals units generally will fight almost to the death.
And I would challange this point as well, in RTW units work much better on the invidual scale than they EVER did in MTW. Mass routs are also gone too in RTW, so if you're going to critise RTW for this you have to be more harsh on MTW. Also the ONLY units I have EVER seen rout that quickly have been exhausted Gaul pathetic units already pinned. You'd rout too.
Again I point to my example of Sacred Band infantry being charged again and again and not blinking an eye. The thing that took them down in the end was a volly of Pilum.
What game are you playing? I have defeated entire hoplite amries with pretty much just macedonian Light Lancers, wiping units off the field very quickly. Even Spartan Hoplites succumb much easier than they should from a charge to the rear. Try an all cavalry army, the results will suprise you. Cavalry is too strong due to the speed of fast cavalry, means flaking is much easier and the main counter to cavalry (phalanxes) is very slow to manouver and highly reliant on formation. Cavalry is also much too cheap to rectruit and maintain, come on I mean a basic Iberian Infantry unit having a larger upkeep cost than a 54 man cavalry unit? I would be OK with cavalry being that powerful if they were much more expensive to recruit and maintain, Elephants were balanced well this way, cav shouldn't be that expensive but at least more than basic infantrymen.