How do you revoke titles?

[Sirrvs]

You know, if you already gave a title to one of your generals and you want to give it to someone else better qualified, etc. how do you transfer it to them? Don't tell me I just have to disband the original unit...?

[Louis VI the Fat]

You drop an emissary onto someone to strip him of his titles and office. His loyalty will suffer though.

[Sirrvs]

That works, thanks mate!

[YAKOBU]

Hi Sirrvs

Other more severe methods are:

- Assassinate the general.
- Try the general with an inquisitor.
- Send the general on a suicide attack, in wedge formation if needed.

As I said these methods are a little more severe

[Procrustes]

Hi Sirrvs

Other more severe methods are:

- Assassinate the general.
- Try the general with an inquisitor.
- Send the general on a suicide attack, in wedge formation if needed.

As I said these methods are a little more severe

or (4) disband the unit.

[Ulair]

One thing that bugs me is that you have to dent a general's loyalty this way even if you want to give him a better title (eg. one with a command star bonus). Ideally you should be able to drop a new title on him and have it swap automatically. Sadly, though, you can't.

[Tricky Lady]

I thought the only loyalty hit your general takes, is that he is back to the "loyalty" he had before you assigned the title.
Might be wrong though.

[The Grand Inquisitor]

(5) Frame him on a treason charge with a spy.

[EatYerGreens]

Hi all,

Bear in mind that I'm a total noob to MTW (been totally hooked on it for about a week now) but I have already been in the position to want to do a title-swap like this and wanted to post a few thoughts.

The game warns you that the general's loyalty will suffer but can't say that I observed this in action. As was mentioned by Tricky Lady, it probably goes back to where it was before and, in my case, I'd chosen ones with quite high loyalty ratings in the first place.

Having taken the trouble to read the manual before starting my first campaign, I was aware that acumen rating affected the income from a region but the magnitude of this effect only became clear after I'd taken over what looked to have been a valuable province. Even allowing from the tax rate going from Very High (under AI control) to Normal, with no governor in place it was nowhere near what it was before.

So it was a case of picking the best of the generals available at the time and appointing him straight away. After years of upgrading crops and getting sea trade going the income was good (Flanders) but it was under an acumen-4 governor for decades and I found I had one of acumen-6/7 going spare, which would obviously make it better still.

One word of caution though. The stripping of title takes one turn to carry out and you can only reallocate it on the following turn. Beware that the income from the province will drop to the 'un-governed' level for that turn and there's no way of getting around this. Make sure your replacement govenor moves into the province in the same turn as you do the title-stripping action.

I'm surprised to see unit disbandment suggested as an option though. You'll be losing whatever qualities that general possessed to make you think them worthy of appointing to begin with, surely? In my case, I'd gone by what the general's info parchment had said and not apppointed any with less than acumen-4 rating.

One thing I'd like to ask about though; amongst some of the other factions' generals, I've seen the occasional one with more than one title. I've tried to apply this to some of my own but the game (MTW v1.00, no patches applied and VI not installed on my system yet) will not let me do this. Maybe it was due to attempting to drop a title on an army stack, hoping it went to the general but without first pulling out the relevant unit to make it totally unambiguous who I wanted to give it to?

Also, it will not allow me to give governorships to the royal princes. You can't even make them Prince of Wales, for example (as the English). Anyone else noticed this?

[The Grand Inquisitor]

Make sure your replacement govenor moves into the province in the same turn as you do the title-stripping action.

One thing I'd like to ask about though; amongst some of the other factions' generals, I've seen the occasional one with more than one title.

Also, it will not allow me to give governorships to the royal princes. You can't even make them Prince of Wales, for example (as the English). Anyone else noticed this?

There's no real need to have a governor sit in his home province to award him his title. However it does make sense to keep him off the front line if he has a good acumen as you don't want to get him accidently mixed up in a fight.

Governors can hold an office as well as a regional title. Offices come in to existence when certain buildings, such as the constable's palace, are built.

Members of the royal family cannot hold office or title until they become uncles of the current king, i.e. are no longer in direct line of succession.

[Tomcat]

EYG - the new Governor does not have to be in or near the province to award that unit the title. Also, there is no reason why you necessarily have to give a title to a General, a Peasant unit will do just fine and about 1 in 5 Peasant units are created with Acumen +4. A Peasant unit is also likely to remain in the Province so can acquire the Builder V&V for additional income and happiness increments.

Now if you had a Peasant Governor of Acu +2 or +3 as a "temporary Governor" - better than no Governor at all - and you produced a new Peasant (or any other) unit of Acu +4, you would disband the "old" Peasant unit - since it only cost you 50 florins to produce - and immediately award the Governor-ship to the new unit without losing that turn where the Province has no Governor.

I asked this whole question about Governors and Acumen in a recent Entrance Hall thread and there was a lot of good discussion on the topic and the various techniques and units people use as Governors:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=36057

Tomcat

[EatYerGreens]

Thanks due to both Grand Inquisitor and Tomcat for clarifying this.

Since my previous posting I have, of course, found that it is possible to appoint a governor located elsewhere. Perhaps it was just when I first tried to do that, it didn't let me, for whatever reason and I had thought 'that was that'. Possibly I was trying to appoint someone who already had one governorship title? Whatever the case, I have also found out that things like Chancellor of the Exchequer (English) can be given as a second award. I imagine it has the effect of enhancing the entire economy, so it's just as well I picked a good 'un.

Yes, a number of my governors are just peasant units and they're all kept out of harm's way. I had at least one in a 'frontline' province - an archer unit, not utterly unique and thus harder to distinguish - but I slapped him in the fort/keep so he only ever came out when I was under attack and even then he'd be in the reinforcements group, hopefully last in line to come on. It's a pity you can't see the title logo on the unit icons in the battle screen, just in case you accidentally deploy it from amongst the reinforcements, before the start.

One odd thing I've noticed. Some generals who haven't been made governor have been stationed in non-frontline provinces and haven't moved in a long while. The actual governor for that province may happen to be stationed elsewhere. Whilst that is the case, I swear the local generals have been picking up 'builder', 'steward' traits and so forth from the activity going on there. I'm pretty sure these aren't individuals who I've stripped titles from in the past. Anyone else seen the like of this?