The problem with elephants..

[Morindin]

Oleander,

You are right about the Hellenic Phalangites with longer spears/and or larger units being show stoppers for the elephants. However, I've been able to crash the base level elephants through the 80 man phalangites. They hold up better than the triarii and really slow the beasts down, but the elephants make it through.

The problem with a few hoplites as a counter is twofold: 1. the infantry or cav behind the elephants will likely tip the scales in favor of the beasts. 2. It is not easy to use the hoplites in a mobile fashion to meet elephants frontally.

Those incindiary pigs rout the elephants immediately, LOL. Entertaining.

I ran these tests on medium.

This is the circular argument again.

If someone has elephants they also likely to have a sever disadvantage in numbers.
The defender isnt likely to have an army entirely made of hoplites, are they?

And around and around we go.

Spino, maybe try bringing an oanger with you as a late game solution to Elephants. I tend to bring them with me by default in my armies anyway, as the battles at this stage of the game are usually full stack vs full stack and with all those tightly clumped troops... :)

One dead elephant and they're rampaging for the rest of the game.

I plan on playing the Scipii next game, so no doubt Ill run into plenty of Elephants. I look forward to the challange.