The problem with elephants..

[Morindin]

My god the hysteria in all the posts across the forum.

Cavalry is overpowered, no Elephants are overpowered, no Hoplites are overpowered.

Sit down, play the game, and learn how to counter these units. In 2 months time if people are still complaining X is overpowered then we have a problem.

Spears beat Elephants (remember the little spears beat cavalry forumla, who would have thought?). I have replays to prove it, Triarii are not that hard to get - I had them in 250BC.

Please, play the game and get some experiance before spouting hysteria after hysteria about a unit you didn't counter correctly. The original post in this topic just screams "Rock beats scissors! Make rock weaker because all I used was scissors, My scissors should beat everything!!!"

Oh also to the original poster on your Elephants routing comment.

More hysteria, Elephants ONLY KILL WHEN THEY THROW UNITS UP IN THE AIR. ALL TRAMPLED UNITS GET BACK UP.
One example I remember is I've had a unit of enemy elephants rout through my line like this

Elephant -> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

It trampled every one of them (looked pretty funny too) and they all got back up again.

[Red Harvest]

My god the hysteria in all the posts across the forum.

Cavalry is overpowered, no Elephants are overpowered, no Hoplites are overpowered.

Sit down, play the game, and learn how to counter these units. In 2 months time if people are still complaining X is overpowered then we have a problem.

Spears beat Elephants (remember the little spears beat cavalry forumla, who would have thought?). I have replays to prove it, Triarii are not that hard to get - I had them in 250BC.

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It trampled every one of them (looked pretty funny too) and they all got back up again.

Oh, stow it. It is not hysteria. I've probably already played more battles than you. Triarii didn't cut it. Repeat, they didn't work. Neither did pila. And the Romans used various units to deal with the elephants, not just triarii. Of course it gets back to the kill speed and overall battle speed being supercharged and the two second routs. Of course, a four elephant unit army with 6 per unit is like having a thousand elephants on the field...without the upkeep or cost.

Back when we had only the demo I modded to reduce the unit size. Somewhere around 3 beasts per unit they became manageable. Still dangerous, but manageable.