Mercenary Changes Have Been Good

[Red Harvest]

I like what CA changed with the mercenary units.

1. Allowing reshuffling of groups of mercenaries of the same unit type. So now you don't have to disband them after they get depleted.
2. Allowing retraining of mercenaries. You aren't stuck with their original armour and weapons, makes good sense.
3 Reducing the number to a reasonable level. In MTW there might be more than a dozen mercenary units in a newly conquired province. I always thought it a bit unfair to conjure up magic AI whipping armies this way, so I rarely bought any, except to get siege gear when I had none nearby.

I think these changes were a necessity for factions like Carthage, that historically relied on mercenaries with only a small core force.

[Thoros of Myr]

Yes, I like the merc system, it's an improvement. BTW has anyone hired any especially rare or unique mercs like the Judean Zealots yet?

[desdichado]

yeah I like them too. Just have to figure out how single hoplite units can work in conjunction with legionaries - speed differentials are confusing me.

can't wait to try out some slingers I just got though.

[Red Harvest]

yeah I like them too. Just have to figure out how single hoplite units can work in conjunction with legionaries - speed differentials are confusing me.

can't wait to try out some slingers I just got though.

If you figure out the hoplites, let me know. By themselves they have been useless to me.

Those slingers are very deadly and have long range! I've been thinking about starting a thread to ask for historical info about slingers. I would expect them to be rather ineffective and short range, but they are monsters! I wouldn't think a hurled rock would be very dangerous to armoured troops past about 100 feet (annoying, yes, deadly, no), but they will cut down whole units of spearmen with shields, hoplites, etc. I'm surprised the topic hasn't been discussed--I might have missed it.

[desdichado]

I kind of like the idea of having a hoplite merc unit but I think I'm just being sentimental. Good in a city fight though - when they get there.

There is a thread discussing slingers in the Colosseum and iirc their range was actually quite good and quite deadly. Also projectile had a flatter trajectory although I could quite easily be making that up and can't even remember now why that might be a good thing. If I find the thread i'll let you know.

they didn't use rocks, they used lead balls btw.

ah yes, speed of the shot was higher hence the flatter trajectory hence more killing power than an arrow over a given range. Sounds good anyway!

try this thread

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...light=slingers

[Colt374]

Lead balls yes, but apparently they can also pick up rocks off the battlefield to use for ammo too, (so gamespy's strategy guide attests), which may mean they have an unlimited ammo supply?

Also, flater trajectory makes sense for slings, since you fire them out almost like guns, and thus would mean they are more akin to MTW arquibuses ('scuse the spelling) then to archers. Maybe they can hit your own men if too close, just like gunpowder weapons in MTW?

Colt.

[Red Harvest]

I kind of like the idea of having a hoplite merc unit but I think I'm just being sentimental. Good in a city fight though - when they get there.

There is a thread discussing slingers in the Colosseum and iirc their range was actually quite good and quite deadly. Also projectile had a flatter trajectory although I could quite easily be making that up and can't even remember now why that might be a good thing. If I find the thread i'll let you know.

they didn't use rocks, they used lead balls btw.

ah yes, speed of the shot was higher hence the flatter trajectory hence more killing power than an arrow over a given range. Sounds good anyway!

try this thread

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...light=slingers

Thanks for the info and the link. I've been ruminating about the kill speed effects, vs. missile unit accuracy. Right now the missile units are very deadly compared to MTW. In reducing the melee kill speeds, we might end up making ranged units much more powerful. I suspect both might need modded to rebalance.

[DisruptorX]

If you figure out the hoplites, let me know. By themselves they have been useless to me.

Put them behind your city gates and laugh when the enemies break through and charge straight into your spears. Either that, or put them in the streets where the enemy has no choice but frontal attack.

[Basileus]

Yeah, i like the new merc system aswell, ive even seen the AI use em in numbers heh

[Nelson]

If you figure out the hoplites, let me know. By themselves they have been useless to me.

I like to take one or two hoplite units with my Scipii army when assaulting a Greek or Carthaginian town. The enemy generals cav unit is dangerous but a phalanx defending in the street stops them cold. I have also had elephants charge an 80 man merc phalanx who soon repelled the beasts losing only 5 men. Battle difficulty was medium.

My experience with phalanx units has been very good although I should add that I always secure their flanks and usually put them on guard.

[Steppe Merc]

I really dislike the fact that not all unitss can be mercanaries (I think). If you can train it, then there should be a mercanrary version somewhere. And the green is a bit annoying... expectially when you and your enemy has a lot of mercs. But it is better than the inn way... this is a bit more realistic, and they show up more often.

[ah_dut]

If you figure out the hoplites, let me know. By themselves they have been useless to me.

Those slingers are very deadly and have long range! I've been thinking about starting a thread to ask for historical info about slingers. I would expect them to be rather ineffective and short range, but they are monsters! I wouldn't think a hurled rock would be very dangerous to armoured troops past about 100 feet (annoying, yes, deadly, no), but they will cut down whole units of spearmen with shields, hoplites, etc. I'm surprised the topic hasn't been discussed--I might have missed it.

Historically at least they should trash archers. This is because their bullets are incredible, however, the problem is that it takes incredible skill just to shoot a bullet at reasonable accuracy. BTW there used to be a thread in the monastary discussing this topic but i can't find it will post link later

[lars573]

Yes, I like the merc system, it's an improvement. BTW has anyone hired any especially rare or unique mercs like the Judean Zealots yet?

Haven't had the oppertunity to have Judean Zealots yet, as I've never had a general in the area around Jeruselem for long. I also don't know about the rarity of certain merc units but the most interesting ones I've are;
Sarmatian Merc cavalry- really sweet heavy cav unit with nice armour their 70% of a cataphract
Spanish mercs- very much like Illyrian ones ie skirmishers
Arab cavalry- has a bonus in desert warfare
Bedouin camels- not much different from the MTW version
Arab camel archers- haven't used them in battle or looked at their stats they just be cool
Cilician pirates- yet another merc skirmisher unit but these have harpoons instead of regular javelins.

[Kraxis]

Judean Zealots... Psycho must be jumping up and down of joy!

[andrewt]

Aren't the Spanish mercs the weaker Hastati-like unit? They're useful.

[Red Harvest]

Aren't the Spanish mercs the weaker Hastati-like unit? They're useful.

Yep, I've been buying them up in Spain as I slowly conquer the Spanish. They've performed reasonably well vs. infantry so that my cav can get the work done.