Carthage Tip: Make a Honey Pot

**Praylak** · 10-01-2004, 13:36

Good pointers here.

**Lemur** · 10-01-2004, 14:55

Frankly, I found the Romans so aggressive that I took the fight to them. Sent an army of cav, two elephant units and a bunch of the pasty-faced teenagers we Carthiginians call "infantry" and took out everything south of Rome. Destroyed buildings, exterminated populations, you know, generally had a good time. Even managed to eliminate the Scipii.

Now I'll probably float that army back to Sicily and leave the Romans to rue the day they messed with Hasdrubal.

Do we ever get decent infantry? Is the Sacred Band worth the bronze its shields are made of? This is the one thing that's bumming me as a Carthiginian warmonger. Oh, and I guess we never get proper archers.

**Praylak** · 10-01-2004, 15:26

Originally Posted by Lemurmania

Do we ever get decent infantry? Is the Sacred Band worth the bronze its shields are made of? This is the one thing that's bumming me as a Carthiginian warmonger. Oh, and I guess we never get proper archers.

You don't like the Poeni infantry? Or perhaps you are referring to a traditional infantry like sword/shield? True the Iberians are no legionary, but they are swift and can get a flank or rear on a slower heavy infantry. But no way I would use them to form a battle line either. I don't see making too many Sacred Bands as you note the expense.

As for archers, the stat file shows carthagian archers in it. Maybe you have to build an archery range in a specific region to get them? I'm going to find out soon enough as my campagin is progressing.

**Lemur** · 10-01-2004, 15:45

Originally Posted by Praylak

You don't like the Poeni infantry? Or perhaps you are referring to a traditional infantry like sword/shield? ... As for archers, the stat file shows carthagian archers in it. Maybe you have to build an archery range in a specific region to get them?

I haven't build the Poeni yet, still fairly early in my campaign. I went for a really early pre-emptive strike against the Roman weapons of mass destruction, firgured I'd cripple 'em early. Funny side-effect -- the Julii are now allied with the Gauls.

I guess I would love to have at least one kind of heavy sword/axemen, but I'll live without. I have some sort of irrational prejudice against spears. On the battle map, I just want to go offense all the time, so it's my own problem. Loving the elephants -- very dangerous to everyone, including me, but mostly to the other guy.

As for archers, okay, I'll build up more ranges and hope for the best. Slingers are okay, but they don't really do the job the way I like it done.

Thanks!

**Red Harvest** · 10-01-2004, 16:29

You don't get any infantry worth even building for a very long time. With Carthage I use light cavalry almost exclusively. Now that I've eliminated Numidia and Spain, I'm starting to gear up to invade Roman lands. I still can't build much in the way of infantry yet. I should be able to build Sacred Band Infantry in a few turns.

**Praylak** · 10-01-2004, 23:19

Lemurmania, I see. I got no real preference, I mean every faction is cool to me. I use what they got, and it usually seems to work out. But hey who doesn't like a big sword? We'll have to verify with the History Gurka's here, but I think the Phalanx was the soldier of the day for Carthage. Your probably going enjoy playing Gaul then.

Technology wise, I'm where you are now Red, but I'm still working on Spain. Just waiting for the last Elephant to be built and we are on our way. But ya I own the southwestern corner on the map, killing Numidia.

Say Red, do you have a level 4 or 5 Archery range built in Numidia? That would be the city of Cirta. I do not, but I'm going to unless you say otherwise.

export_descr_unit.txt

type carthaginian archer
dictionary carthaginian_archer ; Archers
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light_1
soldier carthaginian_archer, 40, 0, 0.8
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 7, 2, arrow, 120, 30, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 3, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 0, 2, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat -1
stat_ground 2, 1, 0, -1
stat_mental 4, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 190, 170, 20, 30, 190
ownership numidia

Whats the deal with Numidia as "ownership"? Built in Numidia?

**Red Harvest** · 10-01-2004, 23:49

Praylak,

No, I haven't built any archery upgrades yet (just have some lower ones that I "inherited" from their previous inhabitants.) I've been relying on Balearic mercs. Since I'm getting ready for finally using some infantry other than in a minor support role, I probably should try to get some archers.

Not sure what that ownership thing is about! I'll be watching to see what it does.

I did do a ship foray recently and noticed Crete is in rebel hands. I think I'm going to claim it and see what I get. I don't think the AI does much in the way of naval invasions, because it should have been conquered long ago. Anyway, this might provide some very useful merc archers or something. Crete might be on the early shopping list for future campaigns.