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    I brought this up inthe Europa Barborum thread, but I thought I'd share. In North Russia, surrounded by woods (it's a bit tricky to get to), there's a village of Amazons. Yes, Amazons. They have chariots ( ), wear Cornithean Helments, and have the same breast cups as the other Scythian "Amazons'. It's official: CA went WAY overboard on the fact some Sarmatian/Scythian women fought.

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    Take your German screaming women on a day trip to have a cat fight

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    (I mean, doesn't that just explain it all?)


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    Oh well, i guess i'll kill them too..
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    Hey could we see a screenshot? Would be quite nice...

    Or do the Amazons look like Boudicca from Watling Street?
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    Ah, an ancient chick farm.
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    lol


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    Lol just discovered these guys, very hard to get to, one more turn and I get to see these fierce women
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    I'm really bad at screen shots. But take the body of the Scythian Noblewoman or Headhunter (), with the weird breast cups, stick on a Cornithiean helm, give them a skirt, put them on a chariot with a bow, and it's the very scary Amazons.
    Why, oh why has it come to this?

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    Why does this bother you? they dont do much, and it is mere chance if you find their city, seems like basically a fun easter egg
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    Some people really like historical accuracy, I guess. Obviously, that's a big part of the appeal of CA games, but geez...can't they have a little fun?

    Fortunately, CA made this game easy as heck to mod, so if Amazons really bother Marc, he can be rid of them with just an hour and text editor.

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    Yeah... If they are all the way out there, doing nothing much besides sitting in their chariots waiting for us to find them... Well they can hardly have a great impact on the game. I think Scipio has a point there, someone at CA wanted to have some fun and created a little something. If they had wanted it to be a real part of the game they would have been down on the Black Sea instead (where the myth originates).
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    First off, it's Merc, as in Mercenary not Marc.
    And as of yet, I haven't figured out how to mod anything. But I do find it disterbing. Did you think the Egyptians were funny too, or the head hurlers? Sure, their out of the way, but would it be ok to make a tribe of one eyed giants on some greek island? After all, you won't see them that often...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraxis
    Yeah... If they are all the way out there, doing nothing much besides sitting in their chariots waiting for us to find them... Well they can hardly have a great impact on the game. I think Scipio has a point there, someone at CA wanted to have some fun and created a little something. If they had wanted it to be a real part of the game they would have been down on the Black Sea instead (where the myth originates).
    Well, I don't agree. The responsibles could have used their time in something far more productive, like making the pikemen's two-handed grip animation or the legionaire's stabing animation instead of the common-to-every-swordsman slashing animation.

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    There is a lot of easter eggs/subtle humor in RTW. At twcenter some were ready to grab pitchforks and take to the streets becuase the generals occasionaly have jokes in thier speeches...think they are lacking in the sense of humor department.

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    Humor is fine, but not at the expence of gameplay (which is related closely, in my mind, to realism).
    As Aymar said, they should have spent it doing something better. Perhaps instead of easter eggs, they could treat the Non-Latin/Greek factions with an ounce of respect?
    And my generals never tell jokes! The closet thing to a joke was my general telling his troops that after the battle, willing camp followers would comfort them....
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    True...but people are not robots. Work on one game for 4 years and no doubt you start to get a little crazy

    As long as CA does all they can to help us mod the game I don't see any real harm done.

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    It is in the map included in the game and it is very hard to reach. I knew the name of the place was out of place the moment I saw but didn't realize what it was until I had a diplomat go near. It's kinda funny, to me anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
    And my generals never tell jokes!
    Well, you obviously never fought Gauls ^^
    Nearly all the lines about Gauls are jokes (to the point of nation-bashing, to be frank).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
    First off, it's Merc, as in Mercenary not Marc.
    Oops. My apologies.
    And as of yet, I haven't figured out how to mod anything. But I do find it disterbing. Did you think the Egyptians were funny too, or the head hurlers? Sure, their out of the way, but would it be ok to make a tribe of one eyed giants on some greek island? After all, you won't see them that often...
    I suspect that's because you've been to busy playing. Trust me, if you want the Amazons gone, it won't take but an hour or so. This game is very, very flexible.

    I haven't seen the Egyptians yet, but I must admit I'm loving the headhurlers. Now there's a unit with some panach.

    I guess we all draw the line different places. Rome, even with Amazons, is just fine in my book. As long as CA gives me the tools to modify it as I wish, (which they have) I can't possibly complain too much.

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    Oh, COME ON! Amazons kick ass. And there is evidence that they are at least partly historical. Like, I dunno, tricked-out tombs with gold-adorned warrior princesses and the like?

    But really. I could complain about elephants, I could complain about pigs, or any of that stuff... but if there's a tiny village off in the middle of nowhere with woman warriors-- who cares? It's cool. And there is, actually, nothing to say that it is ahistorical.

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    So what city are these woman in? or waht city is it near?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaty
    So what city are these woman in? or waht city is it near?
    A scythian city in russia. Its in the middle of nowhere. I didn't actually build any though, so I don't know what they look like.
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    I've dispatched some soldiers to go and rape the lot of them.

    They'll return with 30" Spinnaz on das chariots.

    Now that's a mod.
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    its an easter egg guys, I wouldnt have even noticed it if I hadn't turned on the fow cheat. honestly, the things some people will whine about. its a GAME, not a SIMULATION. you realise that if this was an exact replica of how things went on no one would buy it because it would be depressing, hard, and you would have to walk through the snow without any shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu
    its an easter egg guys, I wouldnt have even noticed it if I hadn't turned on the fow cheat.
    If you play a scythian campaign it is impossible not to notice...
    "Sit now there, and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come to those whom thou lovest. Thou hast dared to mock me, and to question the power of Melkor, master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes thou shalt see, and with my ears thou shalt hear; and never shall thou move from this place until all is fulfilled unto its bitter end". -Tolkien

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisruptorX
    If you play a scythian campaign it is impossible not to notice...
    But since a scythian campaign is itself an Easter Egg, (you have to mod to get it) I don't think that rules out Amazons being an Easter Egg.

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    Grrr. No one else beside me and my fellow history freaks think it weird? and these girls have nothing to do with history, so don't give me that crap. It's just plain wrong. I do have a sense of humor, but these people mess up my game! I wish you would stop spurting trhe same it's a just a game junk. This is sadly starting to sound like a thread from the com, for goodness sakes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oaty
    So what city are these woman in? or waht city is it near?
    The city is calle Themiskyra. It's in the region Hyperboria. The middle province of the most northern part of modern Russia.

    I don't think it's an easter egg. Since the region and village are on the Rome map that comes with the game. So in theory, it's not hard to find. It just takes a bit of effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
    Grrr. No one else beside me and my fellow history freaks think it weird? and these girls have nothing to do with history, so don't give me that crap. It's just plain wrong. I do have a sense of humor, but these people mess up my game!
    I'm sorry, Merc. I understand it vexes you, but come on: Complaining about Amazons in Rome: Total War is like complaining about the glove box in a Ferrari. It's hard for those of us that drive Civics everyday to have much sympathy.

    And seriously, this thing is so easy to mod that with a couple of hours, you and your fellow history geeks can enjoy the game unfettered by Headhurlers, screeching women, Amazons and anything else that strikes you as out of place.

    But I think you'll really be missing out on the Headhurlers.

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    Merc! They have found Warrior Woman tombs! "Nothing" to do with history, you say?

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