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Del Arroyo 23:10 10-04-2004
Sounds like the system is completely broken, at least from a historical/realism perspective.

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Oaty 07:04 10-05-2004
I stand still usually as it kills the charge much quicker, as if you charge them you are lossening up your formation and the cavalry charge adds to this and thus may allow their charge to keep its momentum.

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Longasc 07:57 10-05-2004
The wargame aspect of the game is broken in tactical regards. The strategic map is much better, but well.

The battles are dumbed down - MTW had some issues, but in RTW spearman are nothing Cavalry must fear, they completely dominate.

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Mr. Juice 08:46 10-05-2004
Originally Posted by Longasc:
...in RTW spearman are nothing Cavalry must fear, they completely dominate.
Indeed. I avoided spearmen at all costs with my cavalry until I had to charge some Auxilia out of desperation with either Roman or Legionary Cavalry. They just steamrolled into them like it was no different from any other unit.


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Oaty 13:20 10-05-2004
Originally Posted by Mr. Juice:
Indeed. I avoided spearmen at all costs with my cavalry until I had to charge some Auxilia out of desperation with either Roman or Legionary Cavalry. They just steamrolled into them like it was no different from any other unit.


Was the A.I. moving that unit or was it embraced for the shock? If it was standing still then I do'nt see how it won unless they had morale penalties that got them to route.

Now I'm guessing the cavarly charge was a frontal assault? because if it was a charge in the rear then the cavalry should have won or at least wreak havoc until they could turn around

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hotingzilla 13:30 10-05-2004
In MTW, spearman had a weak attack and charging the lines will just make them lose the rank bonus plus are unable to negate the enemy charge.

They will take more casualities.

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econ21 13:49 10-05-2004
Originally Posted by hotingzilla:
In MTW, spearman had a weak attack and charging the lines will just make them lose the rank bonus plus are unable to negate the enemy charge.

They will take more casualities.
Not sure about this. Yes, you would not get the rank bonus initially, so will have a lower defence (a difference of 2 points?) and intially will take more casualties. But I am pretty sure you will still negate the cavalry charge bonus all the same - if you mod the text files, I think it is a hard coded property of having a weapon coded as a spear whereas the rank bonus can be altered directly. The positive is that you get your own charge bonus (a difference of 5 points) and so may take a few of the enemy down. The maths would seem to favour the spears charging (+5 attack seems better than +2 defence), unless you have no hope of killing the knights anyway. If you are right about being unable to negate the charge bonus, then the maths would definitely favour standing.

I saw the benefits of charging spears most dramatically when I charged a defensive unit of feudal sergeants down a steep hill into some royal knights charging uphill. The entire first line of the knights seemed to instaneously fall and the unit was overrun within seconds. It was beautiful.

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