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    A Livonian Rebel Member Slaists's Avatar
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    Default anticavalry bonuses: hastati versus triarii

    hmm, exploring the unit stats, i didscovered a surprising thing: swordsmen hastati get more anti-cavalry attack bonus (+6) than specialty spear-men: triarii (+4)... could that be right? also, the leter versions of legionnaires get less anti-cavalry bonus than hastati... hmm... is this by design or by mistake?

    on another note: i do not understand why barbarian ax-men would get anticavalry bonuses... if anything, they should get anti-cavalry penalties...

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    Default Re: anticavalry bonuses: hastati versus triarii

    ooops, the hastati bonus goes against elephants, not horses. nonetheless, why would they get a bonus against elephants?

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    Default Re: anticavalry bonuses: hastati versus triarii

    Unless of course the horse was heavily laden with armour, and a axe could get a pierce bonus. so a AXE anti horse bonus could work.
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    Default Re: anticavalry bonuses: hastati versus triarii

    I'm at work so can't check the stats, but if the Hastati get a bonus, could it be from throwing their pilla, not their swords? Elephants are quite vulnerable to javelins.

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    Default Re: anticavalry bonuses: hastati versus triarii

    Here are the actual stats.

    type roman hastati
    dictionary roman_hastati ; Hastati
    category infantry
    class light
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier roman_hastati, 40, 0, 1
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
    formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 11, 2, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
    stat_pri_attr prec, thrown ap
    stat_sec 7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 5, 4, 5, metal
    stat_sec_armour 0, 1, flesh
    stat_heat 3
    stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 6, normal, trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 440, 170, 50, 70, 440
    ownership roman

    type roman triarii
    dictionary roman_triarii ; Triarii
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type Medium_1
    soldier roman_triarii, 40, 0, 1
    officer roman_early_centurion
    officer roman_early_standard
    mount_effect horse +4, chariot +4, camel +4
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
    formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 7, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 7, 5, 5, metal
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 4
    stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
    stat_mental 10, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 500, 210, 50, 80, 500
    ownership romans julii,romans brutii,romans scipii,romans senate

    Triarri have a mount_effect yet hastati do not. Not sure why it shows up in whass-is-names database. At any rate, the +6 to elephants and chariots is from the light auxilia.

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    Default Re: anticavalry bonuses: hastati versus triarii

    Quote Originally Posted by Orvis Tertia
    I'm at work so can't check the stats, but if the Hastati get a bonus, could it be from throwing their pilla, not their swords? Elephants are quite vulnerable to javelins.
    That could very well be it.
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