RTW: Faction reappearance??

[Botis]

M:TW had a faction reappearance feature... does anyone know if R:TW has this?

I hope it does, as I liked the more dynamic/epic feel it helped to give the game.

[Armchair Athlete]

If a faction has been destroyed and some of its cities have a revolt, there is a small chance that instead of a peasnt revolt a faction re-emergence will take place. I have never seen one in a game though. Any one else have one?

[Raizen]

I've had a few cities revolt that were in lands of other factions (Macedon, Dacia, Thrace, Pontus), and none of them reappeared, even when the former capital revolted (I don't send family members on easy jobs). I suppose it's always possible, but unlike in MTW, where historically things like this happened from time to time, in RTW times, once a faction was down, it was down for good.

[Noong]

Never seen it happen.

I've seen a rioting city go back to its previous rulers but that faction was still in existance.

[Thrudvang]

I wonder if Campaign difficulty has anything to do with this? I know alot of people I know that wernt too good at campaign stuffs in Medieval really hated the re-emergence.

I havent seen it happen yet, though. For it to happen there has to be rebel towns of an eliminated faction. Carthage was huge as hell in one of my games and I managed to kill their king and end the faction with blind luck, so there was tons of rebel towns and no Carthage returns showed up.

[Botis]

hmmm, sounds it like it might be in there. But, I'm on my second campaign and no sign so far.

Hopefully it's a moddable feature so I can increase the likelihood (assuming it exists).

Thanks for your replies.

[Quietus]

No reappearances so far. Gaul, Spain and Carthage are all gone. Only currently existing factions reappear in their former provinces.

[Despot of the English]

Man I'm missing so much. I bought this game last Saturday and I've only managed to touch the tutorial twice.

I work too hard .

[Doug-Thompson]

The computer tells me I had one, but it was brief and I never sighted them.

I wipe out Pontus. Many years later, I get a message saying Pontus and Armenia have declared war. That's all I know.

[Darth Binky]

I had it happen once.

I was playing as the Julii. I attacked the Dacians around the same time Thrace did. Together we wiped them out (unfortunately Thrace struck the deathblow, so it didn't open them up for play), but later on the Dacians came back. And they did a good job of kicking Thrace's butt- Thrace was wiped out shortly thereafter.

I didn't notice any message about them reappearing though. I remember seeing the "Faction Destroyed" message, and later on, noticed the Dacians were beating on the Thracians. I often ignore the messages, so it's not much of a surprise to me.

[The Hun]

But where did they reappear? MTW the annoying tendancy for factions to reemerge in odd places, not necessarily in or close to their start point

[Botis]

When the Dacians reappeared, what happened on the faction strength graph?? Did they have a gap in their graph, or start again????

In MTW the reappearances seemed to be anywhere where they had controlled territory. I tried not to think about them as countries, but as feudal dynasties which did end up all over the place (say Angevin Hungary)... so it didn't bug me much.

In RTW times tribes/people moved/were moved around a lot so reappearances all over the place would not be an issue, in fact are quite explicable, in my opinion.

[Tamur]

I had the Julii re-emerge in Segesta (which they had controlled about ten years before I took the Italian peninsula). But their re-emergence was in that city only, and took the form of about 14 medium-Marian units. Needless to say, the Julii had to go back into hiding a year later.

Dealing with a BIG re-emergence would be an exciting prospect, especially with Egypt always sniffing out weak spots on my eastern flank.

[Darth Binky]

But where did they reappear? MTW the annoying tendancy for factions to reemerge in odd places, not necessarily in or close to their start point

But, in MTW, it was always some place that they had controlled, even if it was just to beseige a castle for a turn or two. So in that odd way, it still made sense.

As for my Dacian thing, I really don't know. I couldn't see them due to the FOW, I just noticed that they were kicking Thrace's butt- so it was somewhere in the vicinity of their starting point.

[chemchok]

I've never seen a faction re-emergence in RTW, but maybe it has to do with the brigand bands that are led by "named" generals. I've never seen these groups early on in the game, but I did tend to run into them quite a bit later on in my Jullii campaign after a number of factions had been destroyed.

Only 2 problems with this.
1. These groups are usually as intimidating as a regular brigand army- I could'nt see them being able to take a city over.
2. I don't remember any faction-specific units in these groups.

[Botis]

Well it's good news to hear that they do reappear.


Now, hopefully it is, or will be possible to mod the strength of these reappearances so they become seriously threatening.


English Despot - take a holiday, working too hard is bad for the soul!!

[The Hun]

I would just rather they reappear somewhere near their starting point, it just felt silly seeing Spanish reappear in Poland

[Botis]

I would just rather they reappear somewhere near their starting point, it just felt silly seeing Spanish reappear in Poland

Yep it did look a bit silly... but looked silly primarily because for recognition the developers used country names to represent the dynasties that actually control the factions, these dynasties could and did rule and range far and wide at the time (for example, in-game your faction dies if you run out of dynastic members but not if you lose all your original provinces - caveat - you can arrange it so you continue play as general in a rebellion as I recall).

So you could think of them as the Once-Were-Spanish-Dynasty-Ruling-Silesia... lo... the Hapsburgs ... hmmm... Not so unbelievable at all!!! (if a little early in history)