Are we allowed to discuss...

**Beirut** · 10-09-2004, 02:04

...downloading old music videos from the 60s?

Sorry to be a shmoo, just not sure if this is verbotten.

If so, I will promptly

and not speak of it again.

**dessa14** · 10-09-2004, 06:04

if the copyright still stands, then no.
thanks,
dessa

**Beirut** · 10-09-2004, 12:12

Hmmmmm, good point.

Oh well.

Uh-oh... it's the cops

Beirut walks away slowly, whistling innocently...

**English assassin** · 10-09-2004, 14:50

I suppose we aren't allowed to discuss file swapping at all? I think I ought to be allowed to say this though that copyright owners ought to find away to allow file sharing etc provided copyright isn't infringed (There that last bit made it all right didn't it).

Think of it like this: imagine if the only way you could read a book was to buy it. You couldn't borrow it off a friend and there were no such things as libraries. If someone came along with this great idea called a "library" and all the publishers said no way man it would be the end of reading as we know it, and anyway its a breach of copyright, we'd all think well maybe we ought to mix those copyright laws up a bit, then, hey? Instead there is something called a public lending right and everyone is happy.

I'm down on digital rights protection generally. Its too intrusive. And as for sueing fans well I don't agree with that either though I suppose we should be grateful they haven't made it criminal yet.

Its not as if the music industry uses all this revenue to promote many good bands anyway its usually music by numbers crap.

**LittleGrizzly** · 10-09-2004, 17:28

well aslong as you bought the original video's its ok beirut. Which im sure you did

just downloaded them to get them on your pc

as i understand it music sales have gone up in a time when sales of most other things have been dropping, so saying they need to pursue downloaders to protect young up and coming artists is rubbish. They've been helped most by the internet (that is the ones without a massive record company PR campaign behind them)

**Beirut** · 10-09-2004, 18:53

Well, if the stuff was on European TV thirty years ago, and was put onto a computer and then swapped, is that the same as stealing new music?

What about concert footage that was privately filmed by some stoner in the stadium. Is that verbotten as well?

I'm not trying to start a fuss, I'm just curious.

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 10-09-2004, 19:08

Originally Posted by Beirut

Well, if the stuff was on European TV thirty years ago, and was put onto a computer and then swapped, is that the same as stealing new music?

What about concert footage that was privately filmed by some stoner in the stadium. Is that verbotten as well?

I'm not trying to start a fuss, I'm just curious.

Oh, you mean bootlegs? Well, I don't see any reason why we can't talk about bootlegs...I'll discuss with my bosses...

**Kraellin** · 10-10-2004, 17:25

folks, there is nothing that says you cant discuss this issue, so be at ease there. however, posting any links to sites where pirated stuff of any sort is common, is pretty much not ok. actively promoting pirating is not ok on the Org. talking about this stuff is actually a good idea, however. lots of folks have questions on it and lots have misunderstandings on the entire issue, such as this quote:

And as for sueing fans well I don't agree with that either though I suppose we should be grateful they haven't made it criminal yet.

it IS illegal and criminal. that's why they can sue. most cases are simply settled out of court, however, so no one seems to be going to jail.... but you could. the RIAA has sued a few thousand folks and settled every case out of court, amounting to a fine of several thousand dollars in most cases.

frankly, i think the whole lawsuit thing is one of the cleverest gimmicks the music industry has ever come up with for promoting sales. the amount of free press they've gotten in the last couple of years has prolly promoted more sales of music than any advertising campaign they could have come up with. lol.

K.

**bmolsson** · 10-12-2004, 07:48

Well, here comes a rather interesting thing. As I understand copyright on music, TV and film are 50 years in most countries (some are 99 I believe) and as long as you don't supress the source it's public domain.
During the time of Mozart, Beethoven and the "big boys", there was nothing more than paper and ink, so we can of course argue that that music is like books. But anyway, we will very soon enter a time when a lot of recorded media becomes public domain. This would include movies, cartoons, music etc.
How should this be tackled in the future ? When the musician in question is long dead and gone, shouldn't the younger generations be able to enjoy it ?
Another interesting example is the "underdog" concept on old games. The old DOS based games are traded freely over the net nowadays, with nobody have any problem with it, as long as no commercial interest is there.
I think that we need to make sure that we don't lose the old "culture" due to some disgruntled media directors still hoping for the big score.....