...instead of Scipii? I don't claim to be well versed in the offshoots of the Cornelii, but all of my inital research says "Scipiones" instead of "Scipii".
Isn't It Scipiones?
...instead of Scipii? I don't claim to be well versed in the offshoots of the Cornelii, but all of my inital research says "Scipiones" instead of "Scipii".
[War's] glory is all moonshine; even success most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families.
— William Tecumseh Sherman
Re: Isn't It Scipiones?
Scipii sounds fine to me. "Scipiones" seems more like italian than latin.
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Well, Italian is the closest thing to the Vulgar we have...
[War's] glory is all moonshine; even success most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families.
— William Tecumseh Sherman
Re: Isn't It Scipiones?
Scipio is a family name from the same word for a ceremonial rod or stick (sceptre?). It is a third declension word with the genitive singular scipionis. Therefore, the nominative or accusative plural is correctly: scipiones. However, with it being used as a proper name it may have adopted a plural form as Scipii, but I would pedantically stick with Scipiones.
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Scipii does sound like a Kangaroo...
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Re: Isn't It Scipiones?
Hop it!
The plural for the family is 'Cornelii Scipiones'.
Dum spiro spero
A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
- William James
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I was right!
[War's] glory is all moonshine; even success most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families.
— William Tecumseh Sherman
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Sounds more like peanutbutter to me.Scipii does sound like a Kangaroo...
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Personally, I prefer chunky Scipii to smooth Scipii. But it's just a matter of taste.Sounds more like peanutbutter to me.
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[War's] glory is all moonshine; even success most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families.
— William Tecumseh Sherman
Re: Isn't It Scipiones?
Red Peasant,
Just so i am not mistaken here, my latin not being very good.
The third declension nouns are untied by the common genitive singular -is
So what we are saying is that all third declension nouns have three endings.
therefore......
Caesar-------nominative
(KEYE-sahr)
Caesaris-----Genitive
(Keye-SAHR-is)
which are both masculine
Now in third declension the genitive singular is always ~is and the genitive plural would be um and some are ium.
Therefore the nominative plural is es.
But then Scipii would be a second declension word.
As a nominative plural it ends in ~i
Which is also the case of a Singular genitive. But if we then translate scipii to the English use, it becomes scipius or scipus, which makes it a fourth declension.
or a second declension nominative singular. and therefore the right place for a family surname.
So then we have Julii, Scipii, Brutii are translated into the english script as Julius, Scipius or Scipus, brutus. making them all 2nd declension singular, masculine surnames.
Docendo discimus,
Now it is true the Scipii are named after a "ceremonial" rod as you say. Just as the Julius house are named after a a progenitor that had a huge head of hair, because thats what their name means.
scipiones would therefore be the ceremonail rod you where talking about, but it wouldn't be a family name.
As family names are musculine singular 2nd declension.
Aren't they?
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*walks off to think about all this, might have to take some time out that hurt*
*rubs head*
fenir
Time is but a basis for measuring Susscess. Fenir Nov 2002.
Mr R.T.Smith > So you going to Charge in the Brisbane Office with your knights?.....then what?
fenir > hmmmm .....Kill them, kill them all.......let sega sort them out.
Well thats it, 6 years at university, 2 degrees and 1 post grad diploma later OMG! I am so Anal!
I should have been a proctologist! Not an Accountant......hmmmmm maybe some cross over there?
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It makes no difference to Carthage's Elephants. (Heh, if they're chunky they'll soon be smooth!)
Nothing close to pity moved inside me. I was sliding over some edge within myself. I was going to rip open his skin with my bare hands, claw past his ribs and tear out his liver and then I was going to eat it, gorging myself on his blood.
-- Johnny Truant, "House of Leaves" by Mark Z. Danielewski
Re: Isn't It Scipiones?
Scipii or Scipiones, nothing beats the accent ... Skipppie-aye-yay... sounds like Die Hard's Bruce Willis "Yippie Kay Yay, Motherf***r"...
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Yeah does anyone know a good website to find information on roman houses(scipii, brutii, etec). I just don't know what to search for anymore.
I was looking for some of the flags of the roman houses the other day and i ended up on a full search for any website that had information on roman houses. I wound up wasting a whole hour!
Along my many tries i googled:
Roman flags
Roman house flags
Roman houses
roman noble houses
Roman clans
roman families
roman noble families
Roman julii house
roman julii
and a lot more but i could not find a single website that went into detail about these roman houses and much less found any flags on them!!!
Can anyone point me in the right direction
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Flags? I think the only banners that survived would be from the Julii. Even then, I think almost all representations are pure speculation.
[War's] glory is all moonshine; even success most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families.
— William Tecumseh Sherman
Re: Isn't It Scipiones?
it was better put scipio faction that scipii is not give a serious look ,and julius rather than julii,plz
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