First Cohorts?

**Oaty** · 10-13-2004, 17:22

I think the first cohorts are available after the marius reforms and the right tech building. I can train them in a few provinces due to high tech buildings required

**Bob the Insane** · 10-13-2004, 17:27

Are you not thinking of Urban cohorts or Pratoreans (spelling?)...

I am pretty sure you can't build the guys with the legendary eagles...

**Oaty** · 10-13-2004, 17:34

I'll check a saved game. but there could be a number of factors ..... owning Rome could be one of them.

**Oaty** · 10-13-2004, 17:43

I guess you ca'nt train these guys. Looking at Rome I can train early legionary cohorts legionary cohort praetorian and urban cohorts. With all the available cohorts from training I thought they were in there.

So what was there role in Rome as a first Cohort?

**Jango Fett** · 10-13-2004, 17:45

a roman commando unit...

**TinCow** · 10-13-2004, 18:10

Originally Posted by oaty

So what was there role in Rome as a first Cohort?

The first cohort in a legion was usually slightly larger than other cohorts and it was composed of veterans. It was pretty much the elite cohort within the division. Some historians think there might have been an ascending hierarchy from 10th to 1st cohorts in terms of abilities and promotions, but most historians see 2-10 as identical units and only the first cohort as special.

**Szun** · 10-14-2004, 10:33

Originally Posted by TinCow

The first cohort in a legion was usually slightly larger than other cohorts and it was composed of veterans. It was pretty much the elite cohort within the division. Some historians think there might have been an ascending hierarchy from 10th to 1st cohorts in terms of abilities and promotions, but most historians see 2-10 as identical units and only the first cohort as special.

in a battle line they had the best men in the 1st and 11th cohort, on each side of the line then moveing inward, haveing the newest troops in the center.
in other words 1st+11th = elite
2nd+10th= vets
3rd,4th, 9th, 8th= regulars
5th,6th, 7th = regular to green

they put the best on the flanks for obvious reason ...

**econ21** · 10-14-2004, 11:05

Originally Posted by Szun

they put the best on the flanks for obvious reason ...

I understand, but I've got into the habit of putting meat shield units on the flank and putting the best in reserve. With the high movement and kill speeds, your flank units can quickly get mangled whereas you can still choose whether, when and where to commit your best.

**lars573** · 10-14-2004, 16:30

Originally Posted by Szun

in a battle line they had the best men in the 1st and 11th cohort, on each side of the line then moveing inward, haveing the newest troops in the center.
in other words 1st+11th = elite
2nd+10th= vets
3rd,4th, 9th, 8th= regulars
5th,6th, 7th = regular to green

they put the best on the flanks for obvious reason ...

There were only 10 cohorts in a legion Szun (not counting auxillia). Every thing else is almost right. When it deployed in a battle line the legions heavy infantry was in 2 lines with the first cohort on the right front row. Like this,

1st Line – Cohors - 5th – 4th – 3rd – 2nd – 1st
2nd Line – Cohors - 10th – 9th – 8th – 7th - 6th
2nd, 4th, 7th, 9th were the weak cohorts also the 7th and 9th was where you would find trainees and green troops
3rd and 5th had no special designation
6th had the most able young men
8th had selected troops
10th had the good troops
1st double sized and elite commanded by the prime pilus the highest ranking centurion. A centurions rank depended on the century he commanded there were 6 centuries in every cohort so commanding the 6 century of the 10th cohort was the lowest, and the Prime pilus (first file) was the commander of the 1st century of the 1st cohort.

**therother** · 10-13-2004, 17:57

Originally Posted by Bob the Insane

I am pretty sure you can't build the guys with the legendary eagles...

And I'm pretty sure you are right, at least there is no mention of "roman legionary first cohort i" or "roman legionary first cohort ii" (early and late) - both of which have the command attribute (*) - in the building list.

But, whilst I'm sure they were of Roman Legend, they are Legionary Eagles!

Edit(*) They inspire your troops like a general, which I suppose means they give morale and attack bonuses to nearby troops. I wonder to what level and at what distance, factors that the command stars determine with a general? Does it depend on the experience of the Legionary Cohorts or is it fixed?