Another stupid bug

[GFX707]

When you have reinforcements (non-AI) waiting to enter the battle, and the AI withdraws (i.e you hear them going "retreat" and then they walk off the map) sometimes they walk into your reinforcements.

The withdrawing enemy units then get stuck on them (and start killing your reinforcements who don't fight back) and you end up either having to run your army across the entire map to get them or take unecessary losses.

Please take note CA

[Turbo]

When you have reinforcements (non-AI) waiting to enter the battle, and the AI withdraws (i.e you hear them going "retreat" and then they walk off the map) sometimes they walk into your reinforcements.

The withdrawing enemy units then get stuck on them (and start killing your reinforcements who don't fight back) and you end up either having to run your army across the entire map to get them or take unecessary losses.

Please take note CA. Did you have ANY kind of QA at all on this game?

Yeah, I seen that too but with routing cavalry units "stampeding" over reinforcements and causing casualties. This happens slightly beyond the red line, so I can't take command of the units and can only watch while causualties mount! A bug or feature?

[Oaty]

I've always seen the A.I. (skirmish) route away from these guys. And as far as routers killing you it seems odd as the only routers I've had kill my troops are chariots

[Gregoshi]

GFX707, a nice bug report sandwiched between two insults: "Another stupid bug" and "Please take note CA. Did you have ANY kind of QA at all on this game?" I don't know why CA should be expected to take note of anything with this kind of tone.

A word to all patrons: constructive and helpful comments and criticisms are needed and welcome by here at the Org and, I'm sure, by CA. However, it seems to have become the norm in this forum that every problem with RTW, whether real or merely perceived, must include insults or condesending remarks. Even the tiniest, insignificant things in the game have garnered insults. I read one post in which a title used in the game was called "stupid". That kind of stuff, whether trivial or not, is unwarranted. The total lack of decency and respect shown to the CA employees at times is quite unsettling. Everyone is clamoring for CA to listen to them. Well, they are. We are fortunate enough to have them visiting our forums and reading our posts. Today I saw three of them online here at the same time. Yet their visits to the Colosseum may become less frequent or disappear all together if they are constantly barraged by abuse. It has happened before with CA's visits to these forums. Even the thickest skinned person will get worn down after awhile. We ask our patrons to be civil to each other when posting here. Let's extend that same courtesy to the CA employees.

BTW there is a thread stickied at the top of this forum for reporting bugs.

Turbo, have you tried selecting the unit with its unit card in the bottom, central panel?

[GFX707]

Oh I see, because it's "sandwiched between two insults" it doesn't exist right?


*imagines CA staff member sitting in front of PC crying eyes out at all the nasty words*

[Gregoshi]

* Imagines GFX707 sitting in front of his PC - red faced, foaming at the mouth and screaming at the top of his lungs over that nasty bug.*

[Colovion]

GFX707... do you realize that the devs don't owe you anything?

[crazyviking03]

Judging from his tone in other posts, I think he may have an attitude problem.

[motorhead]

look, i found a picture of gfx

[Gregoshi]

Okay folks, thanks for the support, but let's not gang tackle GFX707. I was not picking on him exclusively. There are quite a few others posting with attitudes too. I just ask everyone to show a little respect for each other. Simple as that.

[Hosakawa Tito]

No more Transgressions please. If one wants respect, one must give respect.

[GFX707]

GFX707... do you realize that the devs don't owe you anything?

Oh really? I paid for my copy of their game. So yes, they do owe me something. What a stupid thing to say considering that I am practically paying their wages! The way you talk it's like they gave me it for nothing. WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE DEMO ANYMORE!

We have a right to expect the game to work....you must get stiffed a lot in real life.

[GFX707]

You people are so fragile. Sticks and stones....

[Gregoshi]

No, not "fragile". We just prefer these forum be a place where you can engage in civil discussion in a friendly atmosphere. The kind of dialog you are endorsing GFX707 leads to flame wars - which are not welcomed here. Just look how "informative" this and the last 10 or so posts in the "crappy battle speeches" topics have become. My RTW experience has not been enhanced in either case.

[Colovion]

Oh really? I paid for my copy of their game. So yes, they do owe me something. What a stupid thing to say considering that I am practically paying their wages! The way you talk it's like they gave me it for nothing. WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE DEMO ANYMORE!

We have a right to expect the game to work....you must get stiffed a lot in real life.

Have you ever played a PC game of this scale and hype that didn't have a patch released for it in the last few years? Probably not. Just like you I also really want a patch to be released for this game soon (and they have said that there will be). You have to come to realize that games out of the box now adays are not going to be examples of perfection. I get annoyed at the same problems as you do and rant about very similar bugs - but I never put the developers down because they didn't have enough time to test the game as fully as we, and they, wanted.

They don't owe you a patch, but it's strongly encouraged by everyone - to get good sales figures, to keep the community on their side and probably also the developers take pride in their work and want it to be perfect. This is a form of entertainment, if you had a Tennis racket break on you what would you do? Probably return it. The developers of the Tennis Racket would look at the problems of customer satisfaction and attempt to release a new model without those problems. If those developers didn't do what the Production company wants the Company would look elsewhere for Developers who could come up with something that satisfies customers better. There are lots of games out there, it's not your right to have a flawless product, it's just in the Developers best interest to create one which satisfies you the most.

I'm sure that CA is working on a patch so I've tried to dumb down my wehing and accept it as it is for now.

[Puzz3D]

LOL! That could be one of several people I know who play this game. Best thing is to report the bugs and try not to be offensive doing it, but even I'm kind of stunned at the number of problems in the released game. There must have been a lot of momentum to release the game instead of test it more thoroughly.

[GFX707]

Maybe if the developers of modern games spent less than 95% of development time on graphics and more on the game, we wouldn't have these problems. We wouldn't be playing prettier versions of the same games from 15 years ago either.

[GFX707]

and being vocal about bugs is what gets them fixed. I shouldn't have to pussyfoot around and kiss ass in order to do it.

[Papewaio]

Politeness is free.

What would happen in a bar if you treat the barmaid like that?

'Hey stupid where did you learn to pour a beer like that?'

Or a police officer (your taxes pay for his job).

'Did you ever learn how to use a radar gun or a alcohol tester? The way you use it is stupid.'

That attitude will not get you far in life. Be polite, particularly with someone you are angry with and play the ball not the man.

[Turbo]

Turbo, have you tried selecting the unit with its unit card in the bottom, central panel?[/QUOTE]

It doesn't work because the reinforcements are on the map yet and aren't available. There is a dead zone slightly outside the withdrawel area that still allows kills. You may have seen when pursuing routed units that you can continue to inflict losses even though your unit is across the red withdrawel line. You can see the bodies piling up but until your reinforcements cross the red line, you don't get control.

[Gregoshi]

D'oh! Sorry Turbo. I wasn't thinking properly - as usual.

[Turbo]

Oh really? I paid for my copy of their game. So yes, they do owe me something. What a stupid thing to say considering that I am practically paying their wages! The way you talk it's like they gave me it for nothing. WE ARE NOT PLAYING THE DEMO ANYMORE!

We have a right to expect the game to work....you must get stiffed a lot in real life.

Ah, good point. I for one think that the developers have a responsibility to their customers to deliver a working product. At the very least I would like to see just one post from CA just acknowledging these problems and letting people know that a patch will be forthcoming.

[Hosakawa Tito]

and being vocal about bugs is what gets them fixed. I shouldn't have to pussyfoot around and kiss ass in order to do it.

One doesn't have to be rude and hostile to get their point across. Utilizing good interpersonal relationship skills will gain better results than being insulting. There's a sticky for bug reports, use it.

[Turbo]

GFX707, a nice bug report sandwiched between two insults: "Another stupid bug" and "Please take note CA. Did you have ANY kind of QA at all on this game?" I don't know why CA should be expected to take note of anything with this kind of tone.

A word to all patrons: constructive and helpful comments and criticisms are needed and welcome by here at the Org and, I'm sure, by CA. However, it seems to have become the norm in this forum that every problem with RTW, whether real or merely perceived, must include insults or condesending remarks. Even the tiniest, insignificant things in the game have garnered insults. I read one post in which a title used in the game was called "stupid". That kind of stuff, whether trivial or not, is unwarranted. The total lack of decency and respect shown to the CA employees at times is quite unsettling. Everyone is clamoring for CA to listen to them. Well, they are. We are fortunate enough to have them visiting our forums and reading our posts. Today I saw three of them online here at the same time. Yet their visits to the Colosseum may become less frequent or disappear all together if they are constantly barraged by abuse. It has happened before with CA's visits to these forums. Even the thickest skinned person will get worn down after awhile. We ask our patrons to be civil to each other when posting here. Let's extend that same courtesy to the CA employees.

BTW there is a thread stickied at the top of this forum for reporting bugs.

Turbo, have you tried selecting the unit with its unit card in the bottom, central panel?

Gregoshi, the frustration being expressed on the ORG is being expressed on the official site, and TWCenter. I'll agree that insults are not constructive, but I do not think that the official silent treatment people are getting is helping matters at all. Take a look at the official site, there are tons of posts from people not able to get the game running without crashes. The bug reports are staggering. If you read through the posts, you will NOT see any posts from the developers or Activision making even a token effort to help or address the situation. I am sorry, but I don't think this is the right way to treat people that are your customers.

[Papewaio]

CA did post here at the Org more often because we were more civil and nice to them then at the Com. I think our standards have dropped and we are seeing the consequences of that with less posts.

Essentially they can either
a) fix the bug or
b) reply to posts about it and get abused.

Which option would you chose?

[Turbo]

CA did post here at the Org more often because we were more civil and nice to them then at the Com. I think our standards have dropped and we are seeing the consequences of that with less posts.

Essentially they can either
a) fix the bug or
b) reply to posts about it and get abused.

Which option would you chose?

Have you seen a post from CA anywhere that indicated that they intended to fix any bug or address the SP problems? You know what they say about making assumptions...

[GFX707]

Yeah, that's true....you only ever seem to see them in threads about gameplay formulas or congratulations CA, etc. etc.

Maybe they can't comment without going to Activision or something....

[Papewaio]

Turbo this is a fansite not the official site. They have no obligation to post here over any other fansite out there.

It is the courtesy that we extend patrons and by extention CA patrons that has meant that we get more posts from developers and normally in their personal time.

Boils down that we get CA developers posting because we are to the point, factual and can do that in a mature polite manner.

So I do think we should point out bugs, but like all posts they should be informative not insultive. No point beating them over the head with sticks and hurling holy hand grenades when they can chose to go somewhere else in their freetime.

[Colovion]

Have you seen a post from CA anywhere that indicated that they intended to fix any bug or address the SP problems? You know what they say about making assumptions...

Yes I have. For one, Jerome came online to state that the Protectorate Bug would be fixed in 1.2.

[Turbo]

Yeah, that's true....you only ever seem to see them in threads about gameplay formulas or congratulations CA, etc. etc.

Maybe they can't comment without going to Activision or something....

I hadn't thought about them needing permission from Activision. I recall a post by one of the developers regarding MTW Viking and the automatic death at a certain age. He mentioned they needed Activision's permission before they could release a patch.