Another stupid bug

**barocca** · 10-15-2004, 14:26

GFX707, you can't use the word "C**p" on tv here in Australia during pg13 viewing time, and seeing we use lowest common denominator we'll go with that one.

(thanks for not swearing, appreciated)
B.

**Anselm** · 10-15-2004, 14:41

GFX707, isn't this all a little rediculous? We're now on a 2 page thread for the sole reason that you can't post a bug without putting the word 'Stupid' infront of it. Theres no need man.

CA did a great job, Rome is one of the best games I've ever played. You can't go running round saying 'They owe me this!' or 'I demand they fix that!'. I can understand your frustrated, hell aren't we all sometimes, when that really important battle doesn't go our way because of a bug in the software. But your talking like they owe you your whole $50 all over again which simply isn't true.

I think to be this angry, you must really like this game. I think for the bugs to upset you as much as they obviously have, you must be tearing your hair out and selling your shoes just to get the chance for one more sweet drop of that oh-so-addictive gameplay that Rome can, and does, deliver. And If this is true, and I'm fairly sure it is, then CA don't really owe you anything. They've delivered you a game that is unlike any other game. A game that makes you think, and involves you, and starts to take up disturbingly large amounts of your free time, and when those bugs come along, and wake you from your day dream, you snap and become enraged because you love this game so.

So maybe next time you want to bring something to CA's attention, instead of writing down the first insult that comes to mind, take a second to think about how much fun you had because of those guys, then speak.

Anselm

**SpencerH** · 10-15-2004, 14:42

If the thread originator had called the developers at CA 'stupid' then I would agree with the mods here. He didnt, he called a bug 'stupid'. I interpret that comment to mean 'a bug that should have been observed and fixed before the game was shipped'. If I bought a car with the typical, overpriced, factory-installed radio in it and the radio didnt work because there was no power harness designed for the car, I would call that 'stupid' too. Some bugs are acceptable, others are not. Too many of the bugs with this and many other games should have been fixed prior to shipment. Companies like Activision and Infogreed take the heat for pushing these product out the door before the developers are finished/happy (whatever), and I understand the contractual obligations to provide a product on time, but I'd like to know how it benefits the developers or distributors to ship products that are not ready? Where is the commitment to providing a quality product to the consumer?

**GFX707** · 10-15-2004, 15:38

Thank you SpencerH. That was exactly what I meant.

**Jugurtha** · 10-15-2004, 16:18

Do unto others as you would have done unto you. That includes accepting that there may be aspects of a game that you don't agree with. It also includes realising that there may be some bugs in a piece of software this complicated.

Consumer rights have been used as an example of CA failling. When you buy a book bassed on the description on the cover and it doesn't turn out to be the one you expected do you demand redress?

As for the violence and swearing thing, as has been stated, in some areas of the world the standards you describe are not acceptible, this is an international forum, try and respect that. In any event, just because it happens doesn't mean it's right - personal responsability.

I wonder if the ratio of froth and rage is related to the kind of game RTW is and the kind of people who really get into it. An ancient history war game of this complexity (not a simulator) is bound to attract a lot of people who feel disenfranchised by the run of the mill games. MAybe they aren't used to civil social interaction? Maybe they just think this is their one opportunity to have the game of their fantasies. CA are the poor saps that have take the flak when some detail doesn't align with these boors' preconceptions.

State your problem politely. If and when CA show absolutely no inclination to address any of the bugs start jumping up and down. Till then....

**GFX707** · 10-15-2004, 17:40

Type the word cr*p (I can't believe I have to censor it) into the search engine and you will see plenty of people using it.

**motorhead** · 10-16-2004, 05:42

Originally Posted by GFX707

Type the word cr*p (I can't believe I have to censor it) into the search engine and you will see plenty of people using it.

sigh...you're missing the whole point. it's not just about "plenty of people using it", it's about discussing things in a non-flaming, non-trash talking environment, so we can focus our energy on the issues. I can plug in f*** into google and it returns +22million hits. Does that justify using f*** on the daily news? would you tell your mother, teacher or boss to "F*** off!" and then explain "well, plenty of people are using it"?

**Papewaio** · 10-16-2004, 05:50

Okay for the purposes of teaching I am going to swear.

Now since I grew up on a farm, worked in the mines and am an Australian swearing is about as natural as sand on a beach. But I do minimise my swearing in the boards when I am not ranting.

It is not just the swearing it is the attitude and context in which it is used.

Bloody... swear word or adjective.

My bandage is bloody the wound is still healing. Adjective

Bloody hell that was stupid. Swearing.

Essentially would you use the word and attitude in front of/towards your Grandmother, child, preacher or boss. If not then don't use it at the Org.

**GFX707** · 10-16-2004, 13:59

Originally Posted by motorhead

sigh...you're missing the whole point. it's not just about "plenty of people using it", it's about discussing things in a non-flaming, non-trash talking environment, so we can focus our energy on the issues. I can plug in f*** into google and it returns +22million hits. Does that justify using f*** on the daily news? would you tell your mother, teacher or boss to "F*** off!" and then explain "well, plenty of people are using it"?

That was possibly the worst "parallel" in history. There is no rule against using the word "f***" (sigh) on the internet but there is for TV. Lots of people are using the word cr*p here and I am the only one to have got a warning for it.

Please do not try to make any more parallels ever again.

**King Azzole** · 10-16-2004, 07:53

Are you guys serious? You cant say cr@p here? Cr@p is like a normal word its not even a curse. You guys are wierd... But I guess thats how the internet works. The melting pot of different cultures. For instance, In cuban to say Cuca its like a name, and chocha is the females genitals (in vulgar form). But if you go to Central America, cuca means the females genitals in vulgar form and Chocha is a name for someone! Cultures...