Learning stuctures.

[RedKnight]

Dorkus, it hasn't been my experience that an academy (or other learning structure) can be used up. I'm with Lichgod - I learned from experience to be sure to have the best library in my capitol, and leave new guys there a turn or three. My impression is that each level of library meant it would add one more to the retinue of non-full generals. In other words a level 2 library would add 2 retinues a turn for any non-full general. In this regard, like Lichgod says, it makes economic sense to have a great library at your cap, and not bother with them anywhere else - if the new guy cools his heels a couple of turns, you've saved yourself immense money elsewhere. I have not noticed them "running out", but then I'm only halfway through my second game... maybe I kept increasing the building as fast as it ran out? And/or maybe the capitol is special in this regard.

These are only my general impressions.

Note that if a (new) general is put in a training queue (to upgrade armor), he won't get any retinue that turn. That's been my impression, too.

I sure wish there was a way to dump useless retinues! And I particularly hate how generals can easily get so full that you can't even swap followers.

[Lichgod]

Since in my long Carth campaign, I only built one academy in Carthage as soon as I could, it lasted for at least 50 years (for the rest of the game) filling my faction members with retinues.

RedKnight - to dump usless retinue, you could bribe a no-star faction member off someone, fill him up with unless retinue and use him for ferry missions. I like to have a guy that visits key mercenary locations to raise mercs for me.

[RedKnight]

Thanks, Lichgod, good idea. But might the guys I bribe be full already, too?

A quick cross-thread note here - In the "Ranked admirals" thread, it was pointed out that learning buildings probably give admirals retinue (and thus stars). So there's a reason to possibly build learning buildings elsewhere besides the capitol, since your fleet might be god knows where.

[dedmoroz]

i always have 1 useless general for filling him with bad retinue and using him to build watchtowers all over the map.
then i just send him to die...

[Dorkus]

I did a test, and I was wrong. You can get repeat retinue from the same academy. My games simply go too fast for me to recongize it.

What I don't understand, however, is why it seems that you always get a string of 5-6 (low probaility) retinue right whent he building is produced. I think there's still something fishy going on. Every time I take athens, within 2 turns, I get 5 retinue, generally of the low probability variant (from export_descr_ancillaries.txt). Subsequently, it takes years and years to get even one.

I'm thinking there might be a "burst" at the start that subsequently goes down to normal levels. Basing that only on casual observation, however.

[Spuddicus]

A quick cross-thread note here - In the "Ranked admirals" thread, it was pointed out that learning buildings probably give admirals retinue (and thus stars). So there's a reason to possibly build learning buildings elsewhere besides the capitol, since your fleet might be god knows where.

I've noticed this in my current campaign.
Filthy rich and going slow growth on pop so I've been building them when there's nothing much else to build. With Scrips I've been getting a bit more (well, more than none) one and two star admirals.

[Oaty]

Hookt un fonix wurkt fur mi giniralz.


Yes those phonicians sure can get you good generals

[Dorkus]

actually, i figured it out. there are a bunch of unique one-time retinue that occur with high probability (80%). So after sitting my gens for one turn, those are the guys I'm getting.

[Slaists]

well, just had this 16 year old who just matured "naked" a turn before earn all these "decorations" in a single turn spent in a city with scriptorium:

Numerius Caepio (16 year old)

TRAITS:
Heartless Ruler
Abstenious
Draughtsman
Fruitful
Sharp
Understanding of Strategy
Gloomy
Bloody
Political Animal

RETINUES:
Archimedes
Quintus Ennius
Appollonius of Rhodes
Geographer
Chirurgeon
Priest of Ceres

Some of the vices were canceling out, but in the end he had command 4, management 4, influence 4. Not bad for a 16 year old...


How is that for a "burst"?

[andrewt]

actually, i figured it out. there are a bunch of unique one-time retinue that occur with high probability (80%). So after sitting my gens for one turn, those are the guys I'm getting.

Are these the named people like Archimedes? Or do they also include general characters that are unique per city/limited to one per academy, etc.?