And I only played on early, and I've seen Poland trash the Mongols as soon as they arrived, same with Novgorod claiming all that neutral land and laying into Byzantium, and I have most certainly seen the HRE do well. If you're controlling one of the major factions around them or one of them gets into a ruck with someone else powerful, the HRE proceeds to start up the steamroller.Originally Posted by Bhruic
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