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    karoshi Senior Member solypsist's Avatar
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    In my kendo class, we are required to count to ten in Japanese. However, the acoustics in the hall are pretty bad so I might have been hearing incorrectly all this time; I don't want to ask my sensei. So I was hoping to ask one of you knowledgable types if you could please write out and numbers from one to ten, with the phonetic pronunciation next to each. Thank you.

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    i don't even know how to count to ten in english

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    well when I was a kid in Karate class it went something like this:

    (phonetically speaking/spelling of course )
    Itchy- 1
    knee- 2
    sun- 3
    she- 4
    go- 5
    ro-kay 6
    sech-a 7
    hach-a 8
    qu- 9
    ju- 10

    Now that's from memory....some 25 years ago!
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    1...ichi
    2...ni
    3...san
    4...yon
    5...go
    6...roku
    7...nana
    8...hachi
    9...kyu
    10...ju

    hope this helps you ...attu gyokusai Kenchikuka
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    LOL...well I was closer than I thought
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    an elephant's memory, Blacky!

    thank you, Minigawa!

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    You weren't that far off, Ship-sama.

    Actually, 4 can be either shi (shee) or yon. The trouble is (I hear) that shi is also Japanese for "death", so yelling it out loud while there are people present might not be the smartest thing to do... The same goes for 7 - it's either shichi (she-chee) or nana, but the latter is preferred.

    Someone who actually speaks Japanese may be able to tell you more. Just my 2, uh, Kanei Tsuho.

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    Anssi-san is dead on (was just tempted to go back and changed this untended bad pun, but figured I'd leave it in its so terrible ), so technically everyone is right.

    Many older establishments (or just ones built/maintained by supersticious people) avoid using the number for (such as you'll find in older American buildings that skip the 13th Floor). Because the written form for both shi and yon are identical, I suppose it's best not to have someone mistake it for the one that sounds like death (even it 'shi' as in death is written differently).

    This brings back memories. My brother, who had just started kendo, wanted to practice shouting off the numbers to me. Now at that point, I had been picking up counting in various languages and hadn't yet become to engrossed in Japanese culture, so I had learned it as 'shi' and he had learned it as 'yon'. Being silly boys who didn't consider that another country might have more than one way to say something as simple as numbers, we wound up arguing a whole weekend over the 'correct' word for four.
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    do itashimashite solypsist-san...as for black ship, i might say im impressed, its either you have good memory due to lineage or you drink way too much genko ...appare chushin Kenchikuka!
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    If you really want to minimize your English accent, the pronunciation is like this:

    ichi = eech' drag out the "ch"
    ni = nee
    san = sahn
    yon = rhymes with "tone"
    shi = shee
    go = like English "go", but without rounding your lips, make the "oh" sound brief
    roku = roh-koo, without rounding the lips. pronounce the "oo" softly
    nana = nah-nah
    shichi = sh'chee
    hachi = hach' drag out the "ch"
    kyű = kyoo, no rounding, drag out the "oo" sound
    jű = joo, no rounding, drag out the "oo" sound

    Try to pronounce all syllables with equal stress.

    It's difficult to know when to say yon or shi and nana or shichi. Shigatsu is April (fourth month); but yon-kai means fourth floor. I'm always using the wrong one.

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    thanks again. i went to my sensei and mentioned the whole number four thing and the substitutions of Yon with Shi and he looked at me like i was crazy.
    so Shi it is.....

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