I give up

[Orda Khan]

Time to sell my copy I think....I've had enough of this

....Orda

[Oswald]

You can give up next week after CA kick me out the door with a flea in my ear.

At which point.. well

What are we going to do?
This is serious Orda. No other game has ever kept my attention for this long.

[Puzz3D]

Forget about multiplayer for now, and try the realism mod by Gaius Julius. The game Creative Assembly should have released. Realism Mod 2.2

[1dread1lahll]

a remote possiblity is Imperial Glory, due out in January.

[AMP]

Imperial Glory has nice graphics, now we need a demo to tell if the gameplay is gonna be good. it's a hard combination to get in a game.. good graphics and good gameplay. maybe they just need people with common sense or a few gamers to play test and give pointers as they are making it.

before this game i've played total annihaltion for 1yr and populous the begining for 3yrs. i've had to close the book on both because the support sucked.. well populous the begining support really suck and they wondered why not many were playing online... duh. i hope i don't have to close the book on the tw series, but it sure looks like i will soon.. all good things must come to an end?

[Paolai]

from what I heard Imperial Glory will be out between February/May.

[Sp00n]

Theres a small article in this months PCGamer UK about Imperial Glory and the graphics look pretty good what makes me not get too excited about it is the fact its made by the same team who made Praetorians, whihc was pretty dull, but having said that the Napoleonic era is pretty exciting so could be very good, says release spring next year.

MizuSp00n

[Paolai]

but a morale system is implemented in Imperial Glory

[Orda Khan]

I hear what you are saying guys but for me this is the only PC game I've played online. I have always been interested in history and the appeal of taking part in huge wars online is what attracted me to the game. I would have to say Shogun was the most enjoyable even though MTW had some improvements to the commands that made army control easier even than STW. That bar over your groups and the fact that you could select any number of units from within a group. Remember on STW where you could choose one unit, all of same unit or the whole group only? Then there was the Alt/RightClick facing command followed immediately by Alt/Left Click, whereby your army would wheel and march to new destination and still arrive in formation. Draw out your units and right click to get even unit depth.

What has RTW introduced that improves on either of the previous titles? Stuff all!! Nice graphics that require we go and upgrade our PC's. What's the point? You can't even save a campaign game to watch the replay from ' a soldiers view ' and the AI is still as thick as ever. The SP campaign becomes as repetitive as it ever was, even with a pretty campaign map and the usual nonsense is still there. The 'surprise' that your ally stabs you in the back is so predictable you can actually choose who you would like to go to war with simply by negotiating trade rights. Then we have the blindfolded archers who kill their own men. I have fought battles where my HA were actually killing men in their own unit!!! I lost more men to my own arrows than to the entire enemy army. So nice that my HA can finally shoot on the move, such a shame they are so indiscriminate

I already posted I don't think CA will come close to fixing this game, for a start we would need an entirely new MP foyer. You can't fix the one we have, it's useless! We need a new one.
Thanks to the splendid new graphics the classic 4v4 has been removed and CA has effectively hosted a game called '3v3 No 56k !!!' ...and yes I do have broadband. I need broadband to play a 3v3???? Again I fail to see the point. I have been waiting for a game where the battles actually resembled battles and I had high hopes after watching Time Commanders, then this [ insert what you like ] came out. So now I'm beginning to realise that game will never come, or at least it seems, not from CA. My options now are to sell it or bin it because it's already gathering dust on my shelf.

It will be kick in the guts I'll admit, I've 'met' a lot of very nice people and made loads of friends worldwide but I fear that many have actually left already. I'll hang around these forums in the vain hope that a miracle will occur but I really just can't see it happening

.......Orda

[Sp00n]

Couldnt agree more Orda :). Its a shame thats after well over 4 years a lot of the community are leaving Id hang on to your copy a little longer and wait and see if CA can do anything.
Ive already decided to contact PC gamer again and tell them whats going on in the online community of the game and remind them of their poorly judged statement in their review that the MP game is a great improvement on MTW.

There are other games out there m8, not many set in the swordplay eras of TotalWar though.

Im amazed actually that not one developer has copied Shoguns style of play in 4 years, CA need the competition.

MizuSp00n

[Dionysus9]

Whats funny is that there has never before been so many players online. You can't really say its dead, because its never been more thriving. Dead for us, maybe....

I guess I'm in denial. I played a 1v1 against the Goat last night, and it was a stellar game. I've had several very good games lately. The lobby sucks tho.

I just cant see playing any other RTS or FPS games as I have been hooked on TW for over 3 years. At the very least I would go back to MTW:VI, or when that server shuts down, the STW:MI Fakeserver program.

But for now I am still having decent 1v1's, 2v2's, and 3v3's. I'm missing the 4v4's though.

As for army movement, you can right-click-and-drag a group rather than Alt-Right/Alt-Left, but it only works on an individual group basis. If you try to combine groups it buggers it up.

So basically I am using a single group for my army, or maybe a couple of groups (flank cav) that move independently of hte main army. Using right-drag to move them in formation--problem is you cant run with the run bug. So Ungrouping to run, then grouping agian. lol.

One thing that is new and better about army movement is that if you change your mind during a movement order, you can re-right-click-drag to a new location an still retain formation and end up in the right facing. That was never possible before.

Of course it only works for one group at a time, but if you group your entire army it works.

Obviously this is far from ideal, but in my opinion its still better than FPS games and AoE style RTS (resource collection, blech). So what are you going to do? Take up knitting?

Its a pain but I tell you what, the new players don't even know the bugs/problems are there

[Sp00n]

I had your opinion Bachus and I gave it a go for 60 or so games, its quite good for a time after you accept that the controls suck, but you get bored of it very quickly after 60 games I just dont want to play it and I doubt very much if it will have the lasting appeal that the other 2 games had, after that amount of games the bugs get to you for example the archers that wont change targets and outrun cheetahs get to me.

They have so many players IMO mainly due the huge publicity surrounding this game with BBc 2s Time Commanders and the program on the History Channel together with the hype in all the PC magazines most I must add were on drugs when reviewing the MP side..

The multiplayer has benefitied from all this, to players who have never played the games online before it probably seems pretty good, but it cant have the lasting appeal that the other games had in its current state, after a few months people get bored of games, I endlessly drift from FPS to FPS online from Battlefield 1942 to Planetside to Counter Strike to Unreal 2004, Total War always had lasting appeal I never left Shogun I played it religously for 2.5 years (one stint whilst out of work I played it nonstop for 4months sad I know), I did the same with MTW but I left for a bout 6 months and played Eve(which I have now returned too), but I came back and ill go back to it again at some point, but I cant honestly say that ill come back to Rome as it stands.

I have never anticipated a game as much as I did Rome after seeing it on Time Commanders and like the SP I really do, but after 2 campaigns im bored.
The MP has been the biggest single dissapointment I can recall in a game and made me trade my copy back in a week back.

I really do hand on heart hope CA try and sort it out because I love Total War games, but with Rome MP I feel betrayed.

MizuSp00n

PS Rome being so bad had made my girlfriend one of the happiest people around as I now spend less time on my Pc and more with her I reckon shes secretly been raising money and has bribed CA to make the game bad online.(why cant she be like Swooshie and play the game)

Please please please CA make it better so I can play again and spend less time having to watch soaps PopIdol and QVC zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[DanMasey]

Woah. I'm shocked about some of these replies.

I can see there are a few bugs, but these will be fixed...

I myself am addicted to Rome... I love it... I prefer it so much compared to Medievil and especially Shogun...

Ah well... I suppose we all have our opinions...

[ElmarkOFear]

Did you play MP Massey? If so, what was your STW and/or MTW name. I probably have lost to you at some point. hehe

[DanMasey]

My Medievil name was Mase and Lucretius.

I didn't actually play any MP for Shogun. I remember having trouble and never bothering...

[DanMasey]

Also, I very much doubt I have beaten you.

I have played around 40-60 games and am still a complete noob. I suppose thats one of the reasons why I love Rome... I don't have to play against Veterans unlike Medievil...

On Rome I have played 12, Won 11 and lost 1...

Damn that Parthian guy... Heh.

[ElmarkOFear]

LOL RTW is the "Great Equalizer" it seems.

Darn! There goes my shot a being the only player to have been beaten by EVERY MTW MP player! If you are ever in the MTW/VI MP lobby, let me know and I will make sure you get a nice W in the Win column.

[DanMasey]

*Druels*

Ummm, W.

[Orda Khan]

Well having played STW where we all had variables of the same army, the idea of different factions with unique abilities and such did seem quite appealing. Then of course there were the problems relating to stats and upgrades that basically determined variables of the same army due to weaknesses of certain factions. So MTW had better commands but lacked the gameplay of STW. So now we have RTW and some say there are no problems with unit speed, well I have to laugh but hey what do I care anymore? If people enjoy the unrealistic feel of RTW battles who am I to question them? I want my armies to behave realistically and this lot don't. I want control over my army, I want them to obey orders and they don't. I don't want them to kill each other and this they can certainly do and very well. I won't take up knitting quite yet but I could easily decide to admit to myself that the series has run it's course. Maybe my time would be better applied to my hobbies and activities that take me away from my PC. I have a new bow on order, I could concentrate on that. As much as I have enjoyed the series I won't be playing a game that IMO is still in the beta stage ( well maybe not even beta ) I'll leave RTW on the shelf in the vain hope that I might one day enjoy a realistic battle, like the ones I watched on Time Commanders.
Hmmm winter is coming and I work outdoors, maybe knitting is a good option

.....Orda

[LittleGrizzly]

another big loss to the game. any clans completely eradicated yet or we still down to individual players ?

[Colovion]

Well Orda I hope to see you back online sometime later if not sooner. I played a dozen or so battles with the present RTW system and stopped after that. I'm going to wait and give CA the benefit of the doubt and wait until the next patch before playing any more serious MP games. I'm very interested in what the community will look like in a year from now - and I shudder to think what it could be as well.

Time Commanders had some mighty fine editors to fool us like this....

[Colovion]

another big loss to the game. any clans completely eradicated yet or we still down to individual players ?

we'll probably see how many people are resolute in sticking around after we see CA's first patch/attempt to save the MP community

[Kas]

there 2 MI/WE "fake" servers

[Puzz3D]

we'll probably see how many people are resolute in sticking around after we see CA's first patch/attempt to save the MP community

Let's hope there is more than one more patch.

[CBR]

The standard patch policy has always been to make one patch only. We only got the quick 1.1 because of the serious 30 player limit on chat lobby.


CBR

[Voigtkampf]

Pardon my off topic, but “fake” servers for S:TW and M:TW? Huh? I am a complete n00b as far the MP component of TW is concerned, and I never thought one would need fake servers to play any of those games; one would just simply host and the others would join it… I know all about FPS cracked servers, but TW fake servers? I would appreciate some explanations, via PM if you would care to share any information that might be regarded… Well… Inappropriate for open forums?

BTW, I bought myself Rome five days ago, and still haven’t come around to it to play it online. I only know that I miss Medieval so much that I am seriously considering to start playing M:TW online; better late than never, huh?

[CBR]

Well there is a fake server that works for STW/MI. Thats what we have been using lately as the official EA servers have been closed down some months ago.

Yuuki and I had a few 2v2 test battles with the STWmod for VI last night and I must say it was a pleasure to use some proper controls again. I did miss the right click and box selection from RTW but the MTW icons, lower speed and alt left click to preserve facing is just so much better.


CBR

[LittleGrizzly]

MTW and VI don't need fakeserver is just for stw/mi the reason its there is because EA's server is down and CA code for it needed to be cracked because they don't allow fakeservers to come up because they don't check cd-keys

[Squirrel_of_hatred]

MP its laughable really i was so looking forward to the mp in this game. seems you can only play as romans if you dont want to be at a disadvantage as every other faction is inferior. i normally like to play as the least played faction in other games just to be different but the gap here is just to big. but my favorite parts of the MP would be "failed to connect to host" now that explanation will help me rectify the problem sheesh and to try and host i would get something like gamespy cannot host possibly due to a firewall sigh. hundreds of people have this problem and its all our fault for not switching off our firewall's yeah right. seems they have their heads in the sand for this one. anybody recommend a good online game of the strategy/rpg variety as connecting to 1 game in 30 to rome has finnaly made me quit ill install the next patch(yes after 1.1) and cross my fingers till then...

[Aelwyn]

PS Rome being so bad had made my girlfriend one of the happiest people around as I now spend less time on my Pc and more with her

Same for me. My girlfriend has seen me more recently then she ever has. And now I'm labeled as a 'good boyfriend' because I have been more attentive. Little does she know its only because some other people she doesn't know did a poor job creating a game. Kinda funny if you think about it.

And I just tried to play online again last night, since the one and only game I have played. And, it still is the only one, since I "Failed to connect to host" every time I tried to join a game. I was online for well over an hour last night. Not one game would even connect.

I'm pretty much done as well with the game. And most likely any further CA game.