Heroic victory?

**Khan of ED** · 10-19-2004, 13:38

What gives the heroic victory because i had some great victorys and only gained a clear victory but on the other hand i had a battle against 1 archer
(mind you 1 not 1 unit of them) and had a heroic victory.

What is so heroic in beating one man with putting arrow in his head.

**Bob the Insane** · 10-19-2004, 13:58

Heroic victory for you, catastrophic defeat for the opponent....

You have to kill everyone on the field, or at least ensure no unit escapes with sufficient men to be intact... Basically you have to total destroy the enemy army so it disappears off the map (I think..

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**Excalibur Bane** · 10-19-2004, 14:04

Yeah. More or less. I think it involves killing a certain magic percentage of the enemy. I've killed alot of the enemy before, got a heroic victory and still the enemy army had some left. Or I killed the entire army, and got only a clear victory. So it's either a certain percentage and/or a specific battle ratio. Probably a combination. Hmmm...

**Kekkonen** · 10-19-2004, 15:04

I just got a heroic victory outside Thessalonika. I was sieging the city, which only had the Macedonian king, one unit of hoplites and one light cavalry inside. Then some other Macedonian family member comes in with a large army. I had a force of just over 600 men, fighting about 900 siege lifters + 200 reinforcements from the town. I'm not very proficient in the tactical battle section, but I had terrific luck -- I was on a hilltop which had small ravine on one side, so I could only possibly be flanked from the right, and a boulder which proved to be significant.

My archers and slingers softened the attackers from afar, and in the end I took heavy losses but killed both the general and the king and sent the armies fleeing. My favorite moment was when I run around the boulder with my general who only had half of his bodyguards left, fleeing from the Macedonian king's cavalry. With a little thinking I was able to lead them straight into my hoplites (I'm the Brutii, they're mercenaries) who, aided by the remnants of a hastatii unit charging from the flank, killed the king and routed the exhausted bodyguards.

I didn't manage to kill everyone though, about a hundred Macedonians lived to tell about their loss.

**Doug-Thompson** · 10-19-2004, 16:23

You have to win the battle, kill a bunch of enemy troops and not lose many of your own.

**LordKhaine** · 10-19-2004, 16:51

Nothing like attacking a city. Having several hundred men left at the end, many in the square when the time limit runs out. The enemy has a hundred at most, all cut to bits and most of them running away. Before when I've had such results I'm sure it said "draw", but apparently this was a "close defeat"

**therother** · 10-19-2004, 20:39

I believe the odds of the battle are taken into consideration. You can't have what the game believes is a vastly superior force. So for instance, if the game thinks that the battle will be close, and you destroy the AI army with few casualties, you will get a heroic victory.

FYI, for the Good Commander line, you need BattleOdds >= 0.5 and BattleOdds < 1.5.

**Slaists** · 10-19-2004, 20:45

at times i hear the commander shout "victory and honor!"; while, at other times, he'd just should "victory!"... anyone has figured a reason for that? it does not seem to be tied to whether the victory is heroic or different...

**Bob the Insane** · 10-20-2004, 13:02

Originally Posted by LordKhaine

Nothing like attacking a city. Having several hundred men left at the end, many in the square when the time limit runs out. The enemy has a hundred at most, all cut to bits and most of them running away. Before when I've had such results I'm sure it said "draw", but apparently this was a "close defeat"

You whould have been the one defending in that situation when the clock ran out to get a draw...