Database lagging.

[TosaInu]

Hello,

The database is having problems again

There seems to have been a slight problem with the database.
Please try again by pressing the [URL=http://]refresh[/URL] button in your browser. 
An E-Mail has been dispatched to our [URL=http://]Technical Staff[/URL], who you can also contact if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.

Result is a forum that's very slow or not available at all.

The host is contacted.

[Lonewarrior]

This happened yesterday, kinda funky and very long time to get to the forums.

[TosaInu]

It started Saturday evening my time up to today. Not sure if it's 'fixed' now. crosses fingers.

[Lonewarrior]

Well everything seems to be ok, been here for a while looking around

[TosaInu]

Seems the whole server finally restarted.

[Lonewarrior]

Thanks good, it was getting pretty annoying yesterday

[solypsist]

i thought maybe the board was being reconfigued

[Gregoshi]

Well, since I came here around 19:00 GMT (nearly 30 minutes), it has been dog slow - 1-2 minutes for a page load.

[The Tuffen]

I'm still getting the message quite often at the moment.

[TosaInu]

Hello,

The host shed some light in the darkness.

The background is that this database is large, not THE LARGEST, but certainly biggish. Computers have problems running big things. The system administrator was tweaking the SQL server for better performance, something appearantly didn't work out that well, resulting in a wacky database.

The database is moved to another server tonight and during or after that move many tables got damaged. The SQL tool managed to repair them.

The forum appears to be running again, I'll have another chat with the host. Please report problems, though I really hope there will be none for the next 12 months
Above all: enjoy the forums.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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[The Tuffen]

Tosa,

I got this error message last nite

Warning: mysql_query(): Unable to save result set in /usr/local/etc/httpd/forums.totalwar.org/vb/includes/db_mysql.php on line 212

There seems to have been a slight problem with the The Guild database.
Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.

I was going to post it yesterday but couldn't as i kept getting the error message when trying to post.

[Quid]

Tosa,

I got this error message last nite



I was going to post it yesterday but couldn't as i kept getting the error message when trying to post.

I have had all of the above mentioned also very often. Something is definitely not working as it should. Let us hope it is all sorted now.

Quid

[The Tuffen]

It seems to be better today, although i have had the usual error message (without the warning bit on) when i clicked on see all active users on the main page

[TosaInu]

Yes those were the messages. This morning, about 5 hours earlier from now, I also got those with extra bits about problems in tables. The host took the entire database (not on 3.5" floppies I hope) and copied them to a new machine. During or after that some tables damaged. That problem is fixed now.

I saw a few minor seconds lasting glitches too, I'm not sure whether that's because of cached pages (?) or new problems with SQL. I just loaded the memberpage fine The Tuffen. We'll keep our fingers crossed for a while.

Thanks for the feedback.

[The Tuffen]

its good to hear that its been fixed.

[TosaInu]

Well.. we had just another downtime. But we'll continue working on it. The forumsearch function puts some stress on the database (size alone). We've added a Google search to the site. I think it works fine and will open some options when we need to optimize. I like some user feedback about this search too.

[Adrian II]

I like some user feedback about this search too.

First of all, thanks for the hard work on behalf of all of us, TosaInu. I'm sure you'll work it out. I'm not so sure about the Google search though. I used it to search for all posts under my own avatar on totalwar.org (must be hundreds by now) and got only 7 results. Then I looked for a post I made some time ago about Korea and Google couldn't find it, no matter how accurate and discrete the keywords I entered. Experiences with Google search functions on other websites aren't encouraging either, so I'm told.

Anything else you want checked, you name it.

[therother]

Well.. we had just another downtime. But we'll continue working on it. The forumsearch function puts some stress on the database (size alone). We've added a Google search to the site. I think it works fine and will open some options when we need to optimize. I like some user feedback about this search too.

Hi

I want to second those thanks for all your efforts on our behalf over the last few days. One thing though: the board search function seems to be completely disabled at the moment. Is this permanent now we have Google?

I have to admit, though, I'm not overly convinced by the Google search function either. I tried a few searches for my own posts, and it was tricky to find them. And I had an advantage as I wrote them, and so knew key phrases to search for.

The native search function was a great deal better, especially as it was up to date, much easier to use, and more flexible.

But if the search function is going to collapse the forums with the regularity that we've seen recently, then Google is far better than nothing IMO.

[TosaInu]

Hello therother,

I've seen some board software and search is a 'weird' thing. The perfect search doesn't exist I think, or you must have a very good server or a small board. In short: if a forum has 100 MB of content, than it also has a searchindex of about that size (it can appear to be non existant in FullTextSearch).

There are various systems and optimisations to get an acceptable search function each having cons and pros. Some boards offer different strategies and so does this one. I chose the supported default one and modified it a bit with the given options. It took a couple of days to figure it out, generate, (Pentium 4 2.6 needed about 8 hours to do the grunt), cut in manegeable pieces, upload, insert, complement and activate.

Result: a pretty complete search method, short words like JHC, CD, DVD, MAA and a load of others were recognized. That searchindex is also something that can cause serious problems in our database, even if it's not available to anyone (because it is indirectly: every post made has to crawl through it).

I knew all that on forehand, but the alternative had/has cons too (it doesn't find anything below 4 chars, is not officially supported and some boards perform worse with it) and it takes time to figure those out. I thought we could be happy until 1,000,000 posts.

Google Search is meant to be an addition. I've found some neat results with it using 2 letter words, but it's also lacking. Google obviously doesn't have the whole lot indexed (yet?).

The server move improved performance, but didn't cure all whoes, I've been around this forum all day and saw some SQL seconds burps and one larger downtime of some minutes. Last night, just 10 minutes before calling it a day, it crashed again and a table got damaged. It wasn't that straightforward to fix as the corrupted tables yesterday morning and my uneducated fear was that a next corruption could bring down the whole lot permanently. I live in a different timezone than the host: many supportcalls don't have the 30 seconds response time. So, I should take the board down for public until professional help arrives (solving the problem can still take days then) or delete #1 suspect, the monstrous searchlog which could be restored in the worst case.

So, Google Search is not meant to replace forum search, it was not meant to disable forum search now, it was not meant to disable it permanently and I was and still am looking to get that other forum search method working (got private testboards running it). Unfortunately the crashes forced me to erase the current forum search right now.

The host mailed me today that two other, far bigger sites on their network use this same messageboard. They run without the search, as the search kills servers.

We'll soon try the other method when this board runs stable (search is not the only thing that has the potential to disturb parties), there are modifications for that one as well. If all that fails? Then we have to think about reinstating a prunning policy for the OT forums.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience and you having to read all this, I hope it explains a bit though.

[lugh]

Good job I didnt have internet access over the we!
Anyway yeah, as said the google engine isnt overperforming, but Id rather have that than experience really bad lag, crashes etc.
To be honest, what do people use the search for? Mainly their own posts I think, at least I do, just to make sure Im subscribed.
Maybe if the search was restricted to searching by name for a while. It would give an incentive to try and catalogue some of the important posts into another index?
Anyway, good work and thanks for getting it all up and running again!

[therother]

TosaInu: Thanks for the comprehensive insight into the inner workings of the Guild database and search function. Very interesting. Could I ask if you are making any progress with the methods you were testing?

On the matter of the database itself, the forums have been very slow this evening, almost to the point of being unusable. It could have been my connection, but it seemed to be working fine for other sites. And just now the forums seemed to be completely offline for about 10 minutes.

[ah_dut]

TosaInu: Thanks for the comprehensive insight into the inner workings of the Guild database and search function. Very interesting. Could I ask if you are making any progress with the methods you were testing?

On the matter of the database itself, the forums have been very slow this evening, almost to the point of being unusable. It could have been my connection, but it seemed to be working fine for other sites. And just now the forums seemed to be completely offline for about 10 minutes.

Same sentiments about work done Tosa-sama, for which I truly am grateful but one point has been getting to me...As I have a lot of free time, sometimes, I can browse the Guild for up to 1-2 hours a day, searching virtally all the forums, thus I have come to the conclusion that the server is extremely laggy.
Before this and on other sites, the pages loaded nearly instantly, now I feel like i'm back on 56k modem. Is it just me or does everyone else have a good connection and quick page loads? I'm having extreme lag with up to 3 minutes for a page to load especially for some reason in the backroom... any Idea why Tosa and hope it's not extra work for you...

[TosaInu]

Hello,

The forumspeed varies for me: from slow to acceptable (30-5 seconds).

I haven't invested time in the search last week, the forum isn't at full speed as I hoped, so still got to see how we can improve that first.

Ideas why: yes and no

[TosaInu]

Hello,

I've enabled a fulltext search on my homecomputer, it seems to be working ok on large databases. There's an issue with creating it though, it's pretty fast and painless compared to the log we had, but it still requires some time and memory (few minutes), it may be just too much for this server. I'm going to try some other methods and may have to contact the host.

The nice thing about it is that there are no 10,000,000 records and it is less than 50% MB of the previous one (depends on settings) and posting is faster. The con is that it can't find CA, STW, RTW, VI, BIF, BUF, DVD and so on as 4 characters are required.

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I just tried to look at a topic called 'Screenshot key and folder' in the colossum and I got this:

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I am sorry I can't check the manual now - anybody knows what key to hit to get a screenshot and which folder to look? In STW it was F2 but it seems RTW used another key.

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Link, no idea if it will take you to the topic or the error.

[TosaInu]

That's a new one frogbeastegg

The link brought me to the topic. Does it display for you now?

[frogbeastegg]

No, it's still broken. Let me try it with IE (using firefox currently)

...

That worked. So it works with IE but not mozilla firefox.

[frogbeastegg]

Found another one, colusseum again: link

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Im playing as Parthia at the moment, and had just defeated Pontus (strange btw, the only had Bithynia left, and 3 Eastern Infantry and they demanded 5600 denarii for ceasefire). Then I got in war with Greeks (Horse Archers VS Hoplites...slaughter) and this thing happened:

Hoplites staring at stone 

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		I've seen it. 
This little "rock" is actually a forest!   
Seriously, rocks like these are evaluated as forest terrain. You can see this when you hover your mouse over it. You can also try to put cavalry there. Won't work in my experience. It may be the german translation, but the point is that terrain pieces like this make deployment difficult.

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		lol, that looks like one mighty interesting stone!   

I think this has to do with collision detection, you'll get the same sort of effect when maneuvering around trees etc. Seems that this particular rock seems to be mis-calculating it's own size!

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		Astonishingly, the three ro
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		Being outlawed 15 years into a campaign sounds fairly buggy to me.  I can't believe CA would program the 'Senate outlawing a faction' trigger to be a purely random event, it simply doesn't make sense.  Does your faction leader possess any traits that might wreck his Influence rating?  If you've created no tricky alliances and have done nothing wrong 
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The topic titles display incorrectly in the tab bar as well, they turn out as a set of numbers rather than the topic title.

Some of the topics in the colusseum are working correctly. I shall see if these two work with IE now, and edit the rest in...


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EDIT2: When I was transfered to my edited post I ended up with a code version of the topic, just like those above so this isn't limited to the colusseum. When I exited and reloaded this topic it displayed correctly; this did not work with the other topics.

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